User:Woozle/positions/religion

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I agree with this (cited here):

You're allowed to believe in a god. You're allowed to believe unicorns live in your shoes for all I care. But the day you start telling me how to wear my shoes so I don't upset the unicorns, I have a problem with you. The day you start involving the unicorns in making decisions for this country.. I have a BIG problem with you.

— Matthew Schultz

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Purpose

At its best, religion seems to provide a shield against cynicism. This seems to be the real reason why any intelligent people become religious at all; they care about other people, so they want to be "good", and in their experience only religion offers any guidance on that topic.

I think people confuse faith with idealism (wanting to be/do good, to help people, to improve things); organized religion encourages this confusion, because faith is much more easy to manipulate. Many people of good will find religion appealing, and I think it is the idealism of it which they find appealing. Many non-religious people are reluctant to attack religious fallacies because they don't want to destroy someone's faith. It is not necessary to destroy someone's idealism while arguing them out of blatantly fallacious ideas.

It seems to me that the difference between acceptable religion and unacceptable religion hinges on the following points:

  • Revision: Is there a central doctrine which must never be revised by anyone? (Or can it be questioned, and revised if found to be in error?)
  • Interpretation: Is that central doctrine solely interpretable by those in positions of authority? (Or are followers ultimately free to make their own moral decisions based on their own interpretation of that doctrine and the guidance of their own conscience?)
  • Renouncement: Is there any retribution or punishment for renouncing one's membership?
  • Universality: Does the core doctrine hold that it applies to everyone, not just those who have agreed to follow it?

The more of these attributes a religion possesses, the worse it is. Islam, for example, includes all four attributes. Even the worst fundamentalist varieties of Christianity generally have no (real) punishment for renouncement (aside from metaphysical threats – burning in hell and so forth – which are only meaningful to a believer), and can be minimally tolerated within a modern society – although not within the sphere of public discourse (e.g. passing a resolution blaming Satan for illegal immigration). Any one of these attributes renders an idea unsuitable as a basis for policy.

A religion which has none of these attributes, on the other hand, is far more likely to be capable of making rational decisions and therefore meaningfully participate in a sane civilization.

The solution is not to wipe out toxic religions, but rather to make them less toxic by encouraging religious individuals and groups to renounce the toxic aspects.

Activist Atheism

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Some people accuse activist atheists (e.g. Richard Dawkins) of being "evangelical", and just as bad as the religions they attack. I disagree, though I do think there should be some specific boundaries and objectives:

  1. I maintain my right to attack ideas which I think are bad, and not to regard any area of human thought as "sacred" or beyond accountability. Anything written or spoken is fair game (and I don't mean that in the Scientology sense), especially if it is advocating a course of action. There is no such thing as blasphemy, except for someone addicted to a dogma.
  2. I maintain the right of those in a religion to renounce their adherence to that religion, and I maintain that this is not the same as renouncing loyalty and friendship with others still in the community of that religion, though it will often be seen that way (and may effectively have the same results). I also maintain that this is not the same as renouncing one's morals, though the most dogmatic adherents will generally see it that way.
  3. If someone is a dogmaholic, only they can decide when they are ready to be cured. If their dogmaddiction isn't hurting anyone but themselves, then it only becomes my business if we are friends -- and I risk the friendship if I force the issue. (Transcript of a discussion starting with the question "why did none of my friends ever tell me I was wrong about the whole 'God' thing?" is here. Another answer: light can kill creatures raised in the dark.)
  4. If it is hurting someone else, then I don't have any easy guidelines except this: If they're a political figure, their publicly expressed beliefs are fair game.
    • This is also true for the views of any organization, whether those views are expressed publicly or in private writings which are unintentionally exposed.
  5. We now have much better tools than religion for making decisions. Wherever possible, religion's sway needs to be lessened and discouraged, and the use of these other tools needs to be promoted and encouraged.
    • This should never go so far as to threaten freedoms of speech, expression, belief, or congregation; but at the very least, we can stop the general policy of encouraging religion by e.g. automatically granting tax-exemption to churches as long as they appear to stay out of politics (and unfortunately even this caveat isn't always being enforced), or by allowing (as is the law here in North Carolina) parents to skip mandatory vaccinations for religious reasons (which they do not have to specify) but not for rational ones (e.g. evidence that the vaccine may be harmful).
    • In other words... wherever a religion or religious justification is given preference, I would see the preference given to rationality or a rational justification instead. Religious justification should lend no more credibility to an argument than saying "because the voices in my head told me to".
    • However: "I have a very strong feeling that X is true, but I don't know how to explain it yet" is a good justification; it's not as good a justification as scientific data, but we must avoid chaining anyone to a line of reasoning which seems wrong; individuals must remain free to act on the decisions of their own consciences. Religion tries to claim that process for its own, and then to control it; this is exactly the opposite of freedom of conscience.
    • Schools should teach how to deal with uncertainty, and how to reconcile a "gut feeling" that disagrees with what hard data -- or other people -- are saying. The lack of any training in this area leaves the door wide open for religion to claim that it has the monopoly on such thinking.

Thanks to "Progressive Conservative" for nudging me to examine this question in this conversation.

Also, I agree with the positions of PZ Myers as expressed in this article, despite the author's attempts to reframe atheism and science as some kind of insidious suppressive propaganda: we need more science, which will naturally lead to less religion, which is fine because we need less religion too.

Christianity

Being Christian is not sufficient reason for being anti-gay. Unless you obey every single rule and restriction in the Bible (and how can you, when nobody can agree on exactly what rules the Bible actually spells out and which are merely given as historical background?), you are choosing which ones to obey and which ones to ignore. This means that you have chosen to decide that "marriage is sacred" or "marriage means one man and one woman".

The Bible is not a source of moral authority. You must make up your own mind, and be prepared to explain how you arrived at your decision.

Being "Saved"

(2007-09-25) Christians say that Jesus Christ died for my sins, and that therefore I should do all kinds of things. Stepping into their universe for a moment to address this: It's kind of a done deed now, but if I had the choice, I would tell Jesus: "No, please don't do that. You seem like a decent guy, and I bet we could benefit a lot more from the things you could do in a long life (write down your philosophy so we can really understand it! That would be sheer gold, and might have done a lot of good in the centuries after your death.) than from this "being saved" thing. Have a good life; don't go dying on my account. I'll take the heat. I'd rather not have your death on my conscience; that would be worse than any hellfire or purgatory could possibly be."

Since he's apparently gone and done it, however, without my consent, I have to say "thanks, I do appreciate it -- but I don't think this obligates me to anything, although you might still be able to talk me into it." Many Christians don't seem to understand that you attract more flies with honey than with fire and brimstone; sweet reason is so much easier to swallow than terroristic metaphysical threats. Good theatre, though, and amusing at times (or it would be amusing, that is, if innocent people weren't being hurt and killed by it).

Personal Judgement

I believe that making one's own judgements is an important part of being human (in the best sense of the word). I don't mean that you should never say "well, I'll defer to your judgement on this"; you're still making the final judgement call about whether to trust the other person's opinion, on a case-by-case basis. The problem arises when a person (a "follower") accepts the judgement of another (a "leader") as supreme on all matters, and only allows their own judgement to prevail when the "leader" has no opinion or specifically gives the "follower" permission to decide on his/her own.

Organized religion worries me, in large part because of this very tendency to centralize ultimate moral authority.

Anyone who says that everything good in their life has come from their religion obviously hasn't read enough good science fiction. (Recommendations to follow, when I get around to it.)