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**** {{arg/pro|Anti-taxer is generally rich by comparison to pro-taxer.}}
 
**** {{arg/pro|Anti-taxer is generally rich by comparison to pro-taxer.}}
 
** {{arg/pro|This implies an unequal burden, i.e. the Pro-Taxer must empty their wallet before any rich people would need to contribute, rather than each contributing according to their ability.}}
 
** {{arg/pro|This implies an unequal burden, i.e. the Pro-Taxer must empty their wallet before any rich people would need to contribute, rather than each contributing according to their ability.}}
*** <s>{{point/con|Nope, this is a complete mis-characterization of the argument. The argument is really about who decides how much is taken and from whom. Pro-Taxer wants to be the one to decide when it's someone else's money, but they also want to be the one to decide when others may want to take Pro-Taxer's money. As such, they deem, whether implicitly or explicitly, they know better than others how to decide such matters.}}</s>
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*** <s>{{arg/con|Nope, this is a complete mis-characterization of the argument. The argument is really about who decides how much is taken and from whom. Pro-Taxer wants to be the one to decide when it's someone else's money, but they also want to be the one to decide when others may want to take Pro-Taxer's money. As such, they deem, whether implicitly or explicitly, they know better than others how to decide such matters.}}</s>
 
**** {{arg/pro|This is a [[naked assertion|statement without evidence]].}}
 
**** {{arg/pro|This is a [[naked assertion|statement without evidence]].}}
*** {{point/con|Again, those who own a computer are most likely in the top 5% globally. They should therefore contribute to their ability. Oh, but again, Pro-Taxer is the one who wants to decide what each person's ability is and how much each person can spare.}}
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*** {{arg/con|Again, those who own a computer are most likely in the top 5% globally. They should therefore contribute to their ability. Oh, but again, Pro-Taxer is the one who wants to decide what each person's ability is and how much each person can spare.}}
 
**** {{arg/pro|No, we want to have a discussion about it. We have a starting position, but you are free to argue against it.}}
 
**** {{arg/pro|No, we want to have a discussion about it. We have a starting position, but you are free to argue against it.}}
 
** {{arg/pro|The principle of next-rung assistance tends to maximize income inequality.}}
 
** {{arg/pro|The principle of next-rung assistance tends to maximize income inequality.}}

Latest revision as of 20:47, 6 June 2014

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  • Pretty much everyone in the US is in the top 33% globally. Also, pretty much everyone who has a computer is in the top 5% globally.
    • What conclusion is this arguing against?
  • up-arrow debaticon Anti-taxers only apply this argument selectively.
    • up-arrow debaticon Objector only raises this claim where Pro-Taxer is not rich.
      • down-arrow debaticon Umm, but Pro-Taxer is rich when compared to those in Africa.
        • up-arrow debaticon This does not contradict the claim to which it responds.
        • up-arrow debaticon Anti-taxer is generally rich by comparison to pro-taxer.
    • up-arrow debaticon This implies an unequal burden, i.e. the Pro-Taxer must empty their wallet before any rich people would need to contribute, rather than each contributing according to their ability.
      • down-arrow debaticon Nope, this is a complete mis-characterization of the argument. The argument is really about who decides how much is taken and from whom. Pro-Taxer wants to be the one to decide when it's someone else's money, but they also want to be the one to decide when others may want to take Pro-Taxer's money. As such, they deem, whether implicitly or explicitly, they know better than others how to decide such matters.
      • down-arrow debaticon Again, those who own a computer are most likely in the top 5% globally. They should therefore contribute to their ability. Oh, but again, Pro-Taxer is the one who wants to decide what each person's ability is and how much each person can spare.
        • up-arrow debaticon No, we want to have a discussion about it. We have a starting position, but you are free to argue against it.
    • up-arrow debaticon The principle of next-rung assistance tends to maximize income inequality.
      • down-arrow debaticon The states' bias towards inflation increases income inequality.
        • up-arrow debaticon An inflationary policy has only minimal effect on inequality.
        • up-arrow debaticon Pro-taxers are not necessarily in favor of inflation.
        • up-arrow debaticon Even if true, this does not contradict the assertion; it merely offers another mechanism which may be playing a part as well.

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