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* '''Army of God''': "a pro-life organization that honors those who murder abortion providers as 'heroes'" according to [http://www.alternet.org/rights/36371/]
 
* '''Army of God''': "a pro-life organization that honors those who murder abortion providers as 'heroes'" according to [http://www.alternet.org/rights/36371/]
 
==Slogans==
 
==Slogans==
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* {{arg.mainpoint|1}} '''[[Life is a gift, not a choice]].'''
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...and discussion thereof.
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* {{arg.mainpoint|2}} "'''Abortion stops a beating heart.'''"
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* {{arg.mainpoint|"[[Life is a gift, not a choice]]."}}
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** {{arg.counterpoint|2.1}} only if the embryo is old enough to have one (apparently happens sometime during the 5th to 8th weeks of pregnancy), and so does [[capital punishment]], eating meat (until vat-grown meat is available, anyway), hunting (for sport or food)...
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* {{arg.mainpoint|"Abortion stops a beating heart."}}
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*** {{arg.supportpoint|2.1.1}} According to medical and scientific literature, the heart is in place and beating at ''3'' weeks after conception.
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** {{arg.counterpoint|only if the embryo is old enough to have one (apparently happens sometime during weeks 3-5 of pregnancy)}}
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**** {{arg.info|2.1.1.1}} This contradicts the (admittedly somewhat vague) information previously found; we need some definitive information about [[human pre-birth development]].
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*** <s>{{arg.supportpoint|According to medical and scientific literature, the heart is in place and beating at ''3'' weeks after conception.</s>}} ''Above claim corrected based on [[Human pre-birth development|research]] in response to this counterclaim''
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* {{arg.mainpoint|3}} "'''Your mother chose life.'''"
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** {{arg.counterpoint|...and so does [[capital punishment]], slaughtering animals for food, hunting (for sport or food), and running over animals with a car (deliberately or not). Also, certain medical procedures require stopping the heart temporarily. In other words, the stopping of a heart ''per se'' is not morally significant; the context and results of that stoppage are what matters.}}
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** {{arg.counterpoint|3.1}} Not everyone is happy with this, despite popular assumption. Or, in other words, just because my mother chose it doesn't mean that this was the morally correct/best choice. (What if my mother also voted for legal abortions? Arguably, the legality of abortion ''should'' be decided entirely by potential mothers...)
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* {{arg.mainpoint|"Your mother chose life."}}
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** {{arg.counterpoint|3.2}} How is this an argument against abortion? If it were illegal, I might grow up never being ''sure'' that "my mother chose life", because she ''had'' no choice.
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** {{arg.counterpoint|Just because my mother chose it doesn't mean that this was the morally correct/best choice. (Not everyone is happy with having been born, for example.)}}
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** {{arg.counterpoint|3.3}} What about someone whose mother later committed [[suicide]]? (I know one example personally; did ''her'' mother "choose life"?)
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** {{arg.counterpoint|What if my mother also voted or campaigned for legal abortions? (Arguably, the legality of abortion ''should'' be decided entirely by potential and actual mothers...) What if my mother would have chosen not to risk having children if abortion were illegal? In that case, the legality of abortion made it possible for me to be alive.}}
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* {{arg.mainpoint|4}} "'''Abortion: the worst kind of child abuse.'''"
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** {{arg.counterpoint|How is this an argument against abortion? If it were illegal, I might grow up never being ''sure'' that "my mother chose life", because she ''had'' no choice.}}
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** {{arg.counterpoint|4.1}} Killing an entity with no nerves, much less consciousness, is worse than child abuse?
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** {{arg.counterpoint|What about someone whose mother later committed [[suicide]]? (I know one example personally; did ''her'' mother "choose life"?)}}
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*** {{arg.supportpoint|4.1.1}} This entity is a human being whose nervous system is developing at about 3-5 weeks after conception; abortion is in fact a form of child abuse, though, no less and no more grave than any other child killed.
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* {{arg.mainpoint|"Abortion: the worst kind of child abuse."}}
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**** {{arg.info|4.1.1.1}} This obviously needs to be split into two ethical questions: (a) the morality of killing an embryo ''before'' the nervous system has developed, and (b) the morality of killing an embryo ''after'' the nervous system is in place. We also need to get some definitive information about [[human pre-birth development]].
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** {{arg.counterpoint|Killing an entity with no nerves, much less consciousness, is worse than child abuse?}}
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***** {{arg.counterpoint|4.1.1.1a}} Killing an embryo with no nervous system should not be regarded as any more immoral than killing a plant, never mind being comparable to the abuse of a fully-formed child who not only feels physical pain but can also feel the loss of love and hope. Claiming that the former is even ''equivalent'' to the latter would show tremendous insensitivity toward children. (Is anyone seriously proposing that abortion before the nervous system has formed should be illegal?)
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*** {{arg.supportpoint|This entity is a human being whose nervous system is developing at about 3-5 weeks after conception; abortion is in fact a form of child abuse, though, no less and no more grave than any other child killed.}}
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***** {{arg.info|4.1.1.1b}} The (im)morality of [[killing an embryo with a nervous system]] is more arguable, and depends a great deal on the exact state of development of the nervous system.
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**** {{arg.info|This argument doesn't really answer the original point except by re-stating that abortion is child abuse and going further to assert (without justification) that it is [[abortion is murder|murder]] &ndash; though it does introduce the implicit question of the [[morality of aborting an ennervated embryo|morality of abortion after the nervous system has begun operation]].}}
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* {{arg.mainpoint|5}} "'''As a former fetus, I oppose abortion.'''"
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**** {{arg.info|We'll take it as agreed that [[morality of aborting a non-ennervated embryo|killing an embryo with no nervous system]], if the mother wishes it, should not be regarded as any more immoral than killing a plant &ndash; never mind being comparable to the [[child abuse|abuse of a fully-formed child]] who not only feels physical pain but can also feel the loss of love and hope. Claiming that the former is even ''equivalent'' to the latter would show tremendous insensitivity toward children. If anyone is seriously proposing that abortion should be illegal before the nervous system has gone into operation, please post [[morality of aborting a non-ennervated embryo|here]] or on the {{talkpage}}.}}
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** {{arg.counterpoint|5.1}} As a former fetus, I support it.
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* {{arg.mainpoint|"As a former fetus, I oppose abortion."}}
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** {{arg.counterpoint|As former fetuses, many people [[pro-choice|support the right to keep it legal]]. Nobody ''likes'' abortion.}}
  
 
==Links==
 
==Links==

Revision as of 23:34, 6 May 2008

Overview

The anti-abortion viewpoint, most commonly found under the larger umbrella of the more appealing term "pro-life", refers to the view that abortion is wrong, regardless of the reason, and should be illegal in most if not all cases

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Groups

  • Army of God: "a pro-life organization that honors those who murder abortion providers as 'heroes'" according to [1]

Slogans

...and discussion thereof.

  • right-arrow debaticon "Life is a gift, not a choice."
  • right-arrow debaticon "Abortion stops a beating heart."
    • down-arrow debaticon only if the embryo is old enough to have one (apparently happens sometime during weeks 3-5 of pregnancy)
      • up-arrow debaticon According to medical and scientific literature, the heart is in place and beating at 3 weeks after conception. Above claim corrected based on research in response to this counterclaim
    • down-arrow debaticon ...and so does capital punishment, slaughtering animals for food, hunting (for sport or food), and running over animals with a car (deliberately or not). Also, certain medical procedures require stopping the heart temporarily. In other words, the stopping of a heart per se is not morally significant; the context and results of that stoppage are what matters.
  • right-arrow debaticon "Your mother chose life."
    • down-arrow debaticon Just because my mother chose it doesn't mean that this was the morally correct/best choice. (Not everyone is happy with having been born, for example.)
    • down-arrow debaticon What if my mother also voted or campaigned for legal abortions? (Arguably, the legality of abortion should be decided entirely by potential and actual mothers...) What if my mother would have chosen not to risk having children if abortion were illegal? In that case, the legality of abortion made it possible for me to be alive.
    • down-arrow debaticon How is this an argument against abortion? If it were illegal, I might grow up never being sure that "my mother chose life", because she had no choice.
    • down-arrow debaticon What about someone whose mother later committed suicide? (I know one example personally; did her mother "choose life"?)
  • right-arrow debaticon "Abortion: the worst kind of child abuse."
    • down-arrow debaticon Killing an entity with no nerves, much less consciousness, is worse than child abuse?
      • up-arrow debaticon This entity is a human being whose nervous system is developing at about 3-5 weeks after conception; abortion is in fact a form of child abuse, though, no less and no more grave than any other child killed.
        • "i" debaticon This argument doesn't really answer the original point except by re-stating that abortion is child abuse and going further to assert (without justification) that it is murder – though it does introduce the implicit question of the morality of abortion after the nervous system has begun operation.
        • "i" debaticon We'll take it as agreed that killing an embryo with no nervous system, if the mother wishes it, should not be regarded as any more immoral than killing a plant – never mind being comparable to the abuse of a fully-formed child who not only feels physical pain but can also feel the loss of love and hope. Claiming that the former is even equivalent to the latter would show tremendous insensitivity toward children. If anyone is seriously proposing that abortion should be illegal before the nervous system has gone into operation, please post here or on the discussion page.
  • right-arrow debaticon "As a former fetus, I oppose abortion."

Links

Filed Links

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News & Views

  • 2007-11-06 A Fresh Challenge to the Religious Right's View of Abortion by Frederick Clarkson: according to a new book by Gary Willis, "Much of the debate over abortion is based on a misconception, that this is a religious issue, that the pro-life advocates are acting out of religious conviction. It is not a theological matter at all. There is no theological basis for either defending or condemning abortion. Even the popes have said that it is a matter of natural law, to be decided by natural reason."
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