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Whether or not something is a choice, the important question should be whether that thing is [[good or bad]].
 
Whether or not something is a choice, the important question should be whether that thing is [[good or bad]].
  
* If it is ''involuntary'' and [[bad]], then there should be research to help overcome it, as indeed was tried for many years with homosexuality, with very few (if any) [[good]] results (see [[wikipedia:Homosexuality and psychology|Homosexuality and psychology]])
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* If it is [[bad]]:
* If it is ''voluntary'' (i.e. "a choice") and [[bad]], then we need to both have a clear understanding of (a) ''why'' it is bad ''and'' (b) of why individuals nonetheless desire it. (Until you understand the latter, you haven't conclusively answered the former.)
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** If it is bad and ''involuntary'', then there should be research to help overcome it, as indeed was tried for many years with homosexuality, with very few (if any) [[good]] results (see [[wikipedia:Homosexuality and psychology|Homosexuality and psychology]])
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** If it is bad and ''voluntary'' (i.e. "a choice"), then we need to both have a clear understanding of (a) ''why'' it is bad ''and'' (b) of why individuals nonetheless desire it. (Until you understand the latter, you haven't conclusively answered the former.)
 
* If it is [[good]], then it should be encouraged, regardless of whether it is a "choice".  
 
* If it is [[good]], then it should be encouraged, regardless of whether it is a "choice".  
* If it is neither good nor bad overall but still believed by individuals to be desirable, then it should fall within the bounds of the "pursuit of happiness", which is stated as an "unalienable right" by the [[wikipedia:United States Declaration of Independence|United States Declaration of Independence]].
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* If it is neither good nor bad overall (but still believed by individuals to be desirable, as is the case), then it should fall within the bounds of the "pursuit of happiness", which is stated as an "unalienable right" by the [[wikipedia:United States Declaration of Independence|United States Declaration of Independence]].
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Revision as of 22:54, 3 November 2006

Claim

Opponents of gay marriage (and homosexuality in general) often argue that being gay is a choice, and that this somehow proves that the gay lifestyle (and gay marriage in particular) is illegitimate and should not be given any legal recognition or protections.

Counterpoints

Scientific evidence disagrees

Scientific evidence currently disagrees with this conclusion. Although there is as yet no evidence that homosexuality is genetic in origin (and it may in fact turn out to be the case that there is no genetic component), there do seem to be significant physiological differences between homosexuals and heterosexuals, much as there are between transsexuals and non-transsexuals:

"...notable differences between the physiology of a heterosexual male and a homosexual male. These differences are primarily noted in the brain, inner ear and olfactory sense." [W]

(While the experimenter himself argues that it would be a mistake to conclude "that gay men are born that way" based on his experiment, it's not clear that any other, contradictory conclusion would be more reasonable.)

Point is irrelevant

Whether or not it is a choice is irrelevant. There are plenty of arguments against homosexuality either way. These arguments, valid or otherwise, serve only to muddy the issue.

Whether or not something is a choice, the important question should be whether that thing is good or bad.

  • If it is bad:
    • If it is bad and involuntary, then there should be research to help overcome it, as indeed was tried for many years with homosexuality, with very few (if any) good results (see Homosexuality and psychology)
    • If it is bad and voluntary (i.e. "a choice"), then we need to both have a clear understanding of (a) why it is bad and (b) of why individuals nonetheless desire it. (Until you understand the latter, you haven't conclusively answered the former.)
  • If it is good, then it should be encouraged, regardless of whether it is a "choice".
  • If it is neither good nor bad overall (but still believed by individuals to be desirable, as is the case), then it should fall within the bounds of the "pursuit of happiness", which is stated as an "unalienable right" by the United States Declaration of Independence.

Reference