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"Republicans used to observe derisively that Clinton had a difficult relationship with the truth. Bush has a difficult relationship with the truth, too. It's just a different – and perhaps more grave – kind of difficulty." – [http://www.slate.com/id/2095160 William Saletan]
 
"Republicans used to observe derisively that Clinton had a difficult relationship with the truth. Bush has a difficult relationship with the truth, too. It's just a different – and perhaps more grave – kind of difficulty." – [http://www.slate.com/id/2095160 William Saletan]
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{{excerpt|[[David Brin]] said:}}
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[Clinton's perjury] is far worse than relentless firehose tsunamis of relentlessly shameful lying about matters of PUBLIC POLICY and LIFE and DEATH?
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Bush and [[Dick Cheney|Cheney]] and [[Colin Powell|Powell]] lie to the entire world and to the American people, in order to get us to waste a trillion dollars, ten thousand of our own lives, half a million foreign lives, destroy our alliances, our readiness, our world trust...
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...but none of those are REALLY bad lies BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T PERPETRATED UNDER OATH?
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Sorry, wrong. They WERE perpetrated under oath. An oath to defend the [[Constitution of the United States]].
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{{-excerpt|in [http://davidbrin.blogspot.com/2007/03/could-you-remind-me-again-just-who-is.html#312942337477140514 Contrary Brin], 2007-03-15}}
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* '''2006-09-26'''
 
* '''2006-09-26'''

Revision as of 22:12, 15 March 2007

Overview

Defenders of George W. Bush sometimes argue that Bill Clinton set a new (lower) standard for presidential behavior. While this is at best a "he did it first" argument, and more likely just changing the subject, it is worth setting the record straight on the matter in order to minimize the amount of time spent being sidetracked.

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Specific Points

Bill Clinton George W. Bush
doubled the Border Patrol early in his first term severely cut Border Patrol funds1
Subject of lying his personal life significant matters of state
Severity of lying charged with perjury2 (lying under oath) aforesaid lies were merely official statements and not under oath
charged with obstruction of justice2 informally accused of attempted destruction of Democracy
Economy "It's The Economy, Stupid"
Average annual GDP growth 3.6% 2.6%
Non-farm employment added 22.7 million jobs added 3 million jobs
(worst record of any US president in 70 years)
Unemployment 7.3% -> 4.2% 4.2% -> 4.7%
Real median household income grew by $5,825 fell by $1,273
poverty rate fell 3.5% (6.4 million fewer people) rose 1.3% (5.4 million more people)
S&P 500 + 308% (435.49 -> 1342.54) - 2.1% (1342.54 -> 1314.78 as of 9/22/06)
NASDAQ + 395% (700.77 -> 2770.38) - 20% (2770.38 -> 2218.93 as of 9/22/06).
Federal Spending as % of GDP 22.1% (fiscal 1992) to 18.4% in 2000 back up to 20.8% (fiscal 2006)
total executive branch employment
does not include classified numbers for CIA, DIA, NSA, & other intelligence agencies; does not include outsourced jobs
down by almost 450,000 (2.225 million -> 1.778 million) up by almost 100,000 (to 1.872 million).
Federal Debt deficit of $290 billion —> surplus of $236 billion (fiscal 2000) increased by almost $3 trillion (as of 2006)
Public Debt as % of GDP -16.4% +4.4%

See also Balkans vs. Iraq

Note 1

"savagely cut funds [to the Border Patrol, and continued] cutting till the border tsunami began bothering even his most loyal redstate supporters"[1], leading to the 2006 immigration crisis

Note 2

These charges were made by Republican-led congress but acquitted by the Democrat-led Senate, a decision which many (especially but not exclusively Republicans) disagreed with vehemently.

Bumper Stickers

"No children died / when Clinton lied." – seen 2006-09-22

Quotes

"Republicans used to observe derisively that Clinton had a difficult relationship with the truth. Bush has a difficult relationship with the truth, too. It's just a different – and perhaps more grave – kind of difficulty." – William Saletan

David Brin said:

[Clinton's perjury] is far worse than relentless firehose tsunamis of relentlessly shameful lying about matters of PUBLIC POLICY and LIFE and DEATH?

Bush and Cheney and Powell lie to the entire world and to the American people, in order to get us to waste a trillion dollars, ten thousand of our own lives, half a million foreign lives, destroy our alliances, our readiness, our world trust...

...but none of those are REALLY bad lies BECAUSE THEY WEREN'T PERPETRATED UNDER OATH?

Sorry, wrong. They WERE perpetrated under oath. An oath to defend the Constitution of the United States.

in Contrary Brin, 2007-03-15

Links

  • 2006-09-26
    • 'Tucker' for Sept. 26: more discussion of Clinton's interview ("The former president lost control of himself famously during a FOX interview on Sunday."), with Terry McAuliffe (former DNC chairman) defending Clinton and attacking Bush; Tucker seems to take a sympathetic stand but comes up with things like "eight years of negligence on the part of the Clinton administration".
    • Arguments for your obstinate uncle...: some more comparison points (by Russ Daggatt, with some Brin commentary)
    • Bill Clinton's Fox News interview (alternate transcription (partial))
      • Keith Olbermann comments ("A textbook definition of cowardice"):
        • Points out that (a) Clinton did try to do something about Bin Laden, (b) Clinton was indeed distracted by the Lewinsky scandal, and (c) The distractions of 1998 and 1999 (Lewinsky and other scandalous trivia) were manufactured by the same people who got George W. Bush elected President.