https://issuepedia.org/mw/index.php?title=Division_is_weakness&feed=atom&action=historyDivision is weakness - Revision history2024-03-28T17:21:59ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.35.0https://issuepedia.org/mw/index.php?title=Division_is_weakness&diff=15107&oldid=prevWoozle: Reverted edits by ErlalItroc (Talk); changed back to last version by Woozle2009-02-04T18:54:57Z<p>Reverted edits by <a href="/Special:Contributions/ErlalItroc" title="Special:Contributions/ErlalItroc">ErlalItroc</a> (<a href="/mw/index.php?title=User_talk:ErlalItroc&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:ErlalItroc (page does not exist)">Talk</a>); changed back to last version by <a href="/User:Woozle" title="User:Woozle">Woozle</a></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[category:arguments]]"[[Division is weakness]]" is essentially an argument that ''unity'' on some issue is more important than ''making the best choice'', possibly on a different issue. It is one logical step away from [[ignorance is strength]], one of the three Party slogans from [[George Orwell]]'s dystopian novel ''[[Nineteen Eighty-Four]]'', in that it views education as the source of dissent and therefore promotes ignorance as the solution to the problem of "weakness" (see [[#Illegitimate Uses]], below).</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[category:arguments]]"[[Division is weakness]]" is essentially an argument that ''unity'' on some issue is more important than ''making the best choice'', possibly on a different issue. It is one logical step away from [[ignorance is strength]], one of the three Party slogans from [[George Orwell]]'s dystopian novel ''[[Nineteen Eighty-Four]]'', in that it views education as the source of dissent and therefore promotes ignorance as the solution to the problem of "weakness" (see [[#Illegitimate Uses]], below).</div></td></tr>
</table>ErlalItrochttps://issuepedia.org/mw/index.php?title=Division_is_weakness&diff=14917&oldid=prevWoozle: Reverted edits by ErlalItroc (Talk); changed back to last version by Woozle2009-01-17T03:15:47Z<p>Reverted edits by <a href="/Special:Contributions/ErlalItroc" title="Special:Contributions/ErlalItroc">ErlalItroc</a> (<a href="/mw/index.php?title=User_talk:ErlalItroc&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="User talk:ErlalItroc (page does not exist)">Talk</a>); changed back to last version by <a href="/User:Woozle" title="User:Woozle">Woozle</a></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[category:arguments]]"[[Division is weakness]]" is essentially an argument that ''unity'' on some issue is more important than ''making the best choice'', possibly on a different issue. It is one logical step away from [[ignorance is strength]], one of the three Party slogans from [[George Orwell]]'s dystopian novel ''[[Nineteen Eighty-Four]]'', in that it views education as the source of dissent and therefore promotes ignorance as the solution to the problem of "weakness" (see [[#Illegitimate Uses]], below).</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[category:arguments]]"[[Division is weakness]]" is essentially an argument that ''unity'' on some issue is more important than ''making the best choice'', possibly on a different issue. It is one logical step away from [[ignorance is strength]], one of the three Party slogans from [[George Orwell]]'s dystopian novel ''[[Nineteen Eighty-Four]]'', in that it views education as the source of dissent and therefore promotes ignorance as the solution to the problem of "weakness" (see [[#Illegitimate Uses]], below).</div></td></tr>
</table>ErlalItrochttps://issuepedia.org/mw/index.php?title=Division_is_weakness&diff=10660&oldid=prevWoozle: filed links; more tweaks2008-05-30T15:12:25Z<p>filed links; more tweaks</p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[category:arguments]]"[[Division is weakness]]" is essentially an argument that ''unity'' on some issue is more important than ''making the best choice'', possibly on a different issue.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>[[category:arguments]]"[[Division is weakness]]" is essentially an argument that ''unity'' on some issue is more important than ''making the best choice'', possibly on a different issue<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">. It is one logical step away from [[ignorance is strength]], one of the three Party slogans from [[George Orwell]]'s dystopian novel ''[[Nineteen Eighty-Four]]'', in that it views education as the source of dissent and therefore promotes ignorance as the solution to the problem of "weakness" (see [[#Illegitimate Uses]], below)</ins>.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>A reasonable use of this argument is in a situation where people are in disagreement over some detail, or some irrelevant issue, when there is a much more pressing issue on which action is being prevented by the disagreement.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>A reasonable use of this argument is in a situation where people are in disagreement over some detail, or some irrelevant issue, when there is a much more pressing issue on which action is being prevented by the disagreement.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* "We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately." &ndash; [[Benjamin Franklin]] (source: [[wikiquote:Benjamin Franklin|wikiquote]])</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* "We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately." &ndash; [[Benjamin Franklin]] (source: [[wikiquote:Benjamin Franklin|wikiquote]])</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* [[US-Iraq War]]: This equation is often applied to argue that dissent among Americans makes us look weak, and emboldens the enemy (i.e. the terrorists). However, what "makes us look weak" far more than this is [[Bush's military abuse|clumsy and ineffective use of our military]].</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* [[US-Iraq War]]: This equation is often applied to argue that dissent among Americans makes us look weak, and emboldens the enemy (i.e. the terrorists). However, what "makes us look weak" far more than this is [[Bush's military abuse|clumsy and ineffective use of our military]].</div></td></tr>
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</table>Woozlehttps://issuepedia.org/mw/index.php?title=Division_is_weakness&diff=7738&oldid=prevWoozle: /* Quotes */ applicability - Bush's military abuse makes us "look weak" far more than do our internal discussions2007-09-16T15:01:49Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Quotes: </span> applicability - Bush's military abuse makes us "look weak" far more than do our internal discussions</span></p>
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</table>Woozlehttps://issuepedia.org/mw/index.php?title=Division_is_weakness&diff=7199&oldid=prevWoozle: two pro-unity quotes; "possibly on a different issue" added to overview2007-08-19T23:15:54Z<p>two pro-unity quotes; "possibly on a different issue" added to overview</p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>It is also the logic behind the Party slogan "[[Ignorance is strength]]" from the novel ''[[1984 (novel)|1984]]'': if a population is ignorant of the relevant facts, they have to trust the decisions made by their leaders &ndash; which makes it much easier for a leader to rally the public to whatever cause the leader chooses, thus greatly increasing that leader's effective (military) strength over those of less restrictive governments.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>It is also the logic behind the Party slogan "[[Ignorance is strength]]" from the novel ''[[1984 (novel)|1984]]'': if a population is ignorant of the relevant facts, they have to trust the decisions made by their leaders &ndash; which makes it much easier for a leader to rally the public to whatever cause the leader chooses, thus greatly increasing that leader's effective (military) strength over those of less restrictive governments.</div></td></tr>
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</table>Woozlehttps://issuepedia.org/mw/index.php?title=Division_is_weakness&diff=7188&oldid=prevWoozle: New page: ==Overview== category:arguments"Division is weakness" is essentially an argument that ''unity'' on some issue is more important than ''making the best choice''. ===Legitimate Use==...2007-08-19T19:27:08Z<p>New page: ==Overview== <a href="/Category:Arguments" title="Category:Arguments">category:arguments</a>"<a href="/Division_is_weakness" title="Division is weakness">Division is weakness</a>" is essentially an argument that ''unity'' on some issue is more important than ''making the best choice''. ===Legitimate Use==...</p>
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[[category:arguments]]"[[Division is weakness]]" is essentially an argument that ''unity'' on some issue is more important than ''making the best choice''.<br />
===Legitimate Use===<br />
A reasonable use of this argument is in a situation where people are in disagreement over some detail, or some irrelevant issue, when there is a much more pressing issue on which action is being prevented by the disagreement.<br />
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In this situation, though, a better argument would be to point out the more important issue and push for quick resolution or shelving of any minor or irrelevant issues so the more urgent issue can be dealt with. This is more likely to be persuasive, and addresses the actual meta-problem of correct prioritization rather than trying to force unity without explanation.<br />
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An exceptional legitimate use might occur in circumstances where it is more important to take ''some'' action than it is to be certain of taking the ''best'' possible action. It seems unlikely that this sort of thing would reach the point of being a public issue, however, before a decision had to be made, and hence such a decision would end up being made by someone in authority rather than in the sphere of public opinion.<br />
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When trying to decide ''in retrospect'' whether a leader made a correct call in choosing imperfect action over careful deliberation, the question should resolve around whether the imperfect action chosen was reasonable under the circumstances &ndash; rather than any claimed need for unity.<br />
===Illegitimate Uses===<br />
Most or all non-legitimate uses of this argument occur when the "more pressing issue" is actually the same issue over which there is disagreement. In this case, the argument is essentially saying "it is more important to do something than to do the right thing" &ndash; which is almost never the case in matters of public discussion. (See [[#Legitimate Use]] for further discussion of exceptions.)<br />
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Under these circumstances, this argument is essentially an attempt to justify [[suppression of dissent]].<br />
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It is also the logic behind the Party slogan "[[Ignorance is strength]]" from the novel ''[[1984 (novel)|1984]]'': if a population is ignorant of the relevant facts, they have to trust the decisions made by their leaders &ndash; which makes it much easier for a leader to rally the public to whatever cause the leader chooses, thus greatly increasing that leader's effective (military) strength over those of less restrictive governments.</div>Woozle