https://issuepedia.org/mw/index.php?title=Issuepedia:Rampant_Paranoia&feed=atom&action=historyIssuepedia:Rampant Paranoia - Revision history2024-03-29T12:20:27ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.35.0https://issuepedia.org/mw/index.php?title=Issuepedia:Rampant_Paranoia&diff=13963&oldid=prevWoozle: moved theories to their own pages, for ease of access and formatting2008-10-26T15:33:38Z<p>moved theories to their own pages, for ease of access and formatting</p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>This is the page for wacko paranoid [[conspiracy theories]]. Put your favorite conspiracy theories here, in as much detail as you like (if it starts to take over the page, make a new page for the theory and put a link here). Issuepedia editors will post any relevant thoughts or information they might have (or find) regarding each theory, and hopefully we'll be able to come up with some reasonable conclusions.</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>This is the page for wacko paranoid [[conspiracy theories]]. Put your favorite conspiracy theories here, in as much detail as you like (if it starts to take over the page, make a new page for the theory and put a link here). Issuepedia editors will post any relevant thoughts or information they might have (or find) regarding each theory, and hopefully we'll be able to come up with some reasonable conclusions.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">[[Bush II administration|Bushco]] engineered 9/11</del>==</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* [[Bushco <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">engineered </ins>9/11]]: not <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">currently taking </ins>this theory <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">too seriously</ins>, but <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">it </ins>is <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">difficult </ins>to <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">dismiss</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">This one is a perennial favorite among the fringe of the 9/11 Truth movement, which the media loves to put on display [[9/11 anomaly denial|as if it were the whole story]]. The theory goes something like this:</del></div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* [[Minnesota bridge was blown up]]: <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">evidence is against </ins>it; the <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">culprit </ins>is <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">more likely systematic neglect </ins>of <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">US infrastructure </ins>by the <ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Bush administration</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Bushco needed a "</del>[[<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">attack on Pearl Harbor|Pearl Harbor]]" (or a "{{wpalt|Reichstag fire}}", or a "{{wpalt|Gulf of Tonkin Incident}}") to galvanize America and gain support for a number of things:</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">** [[US justifications for invading Iraq|the war he planned on Iraq]] (due to statements by </del>Bushco<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">, many Americans still believe Saddam was behind [[9/11]], or that Iraq had [[weapon of mass destruction|WMD]]s, both of which are completely wrong)</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">** [[Bush's elevation of presidential power|increased power for the president]] &ndash; the "strong executive" theory (which goes [[Bush II administration anti-democracy|completely against]] the [[separation of powers]] set up by the [[founding fathers]] in the [[Constitution (US)|Constitution]])</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">** Decreased civil rights, increasing government intrusion</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">** Increased freedom to spend money however he wanted (e.g. "no-bid" contracts for war-related projects), without oversight or accountability</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">* As a result of this need, Bush somehow encouraged or knowingly allowed [[</del>9/11]] <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">to happen; presuming that Bush actually paid attention to the [[pre-9/11 warnings]] he received (rather than ignoring them, as he outwardly seemed to do) and realized that an attack of some sort was imminent, possible scenarios include</del>:</div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">** Bush covertly provided aid (Iran-Contra-style) to the terrorists, so that they would succeed</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">** Bush had agents take over the operation, with the idea of using evidence of the original operation as a decoy -- who would think that the US government would do something like this on US soil? Only wacko conspiracy theorists, of course.</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">* There may </del>not <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">have been any foreign terrorists on the planes; the four planes hijacked were of two different models (Boeing 757s and 767s) known to have an "emergency come-home" computer installed which allows ground control to remotely control the planes in the event of a hijacking. The fact that these come-homes were not used (or even mentioned) is suspicious enough in itself; it also removes the need for a suicidal gang of hijackers to somehow enter the US, somehow get through security, and somehow take over the plane with the limited weaponry (box-cutters) they supposedly smuggled through security, because the "come-home" could have been used to fly the planes into buildings instead of its intended purpose of landing the plane safely.</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">* The collapses of WTC1 and WTC2 were merely the finishing touch, to give the appropriate "shock and awe" effect</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">* The collapse of [[WTC7]] may have been to hide some key pieces of evidence; the most popular theory is that the planes were being remote-controlled from Rudy Guiliani's specially-hardened "emergency command center" in WTC7. After all the planes had crashed, the team blew up the command center -- and then had WTC7 "pulled" to hide what would have been a suspiciously isolated explosion in an otherwise largely-unharmed building.</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">There is a lot of circumstantial evidence pointing to </del>this theory<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">, or at least indicating strongly that the administration had something serious to hide; some more details are in the "Further Investigation Needed" and "Circumstantial Evidence" sections of the [[9/11 anomalies]] page.</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">One of the main flaws in this theory is the large number of people (at least a large handful), including a number of non-political people (technicians and engineers). Perhaps this objection is partly overcome by the extreme vehemence of much of Bush's support -- dissenters being called "traitors", for example; could this vehemence perhaps have convinced a roomful of people of the ''need'' for a terrible calamity to "strengthen the country"? Especially if those people were hand-picked believers hoping to hasten the second coming of Christ by [[apocalypticism|starting an apocalypse]]. Apocalyptics have always been among Bush's strongest supporters, and the feeling seems to be mutual.</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">'''Conclusion''': Unlikely</del>, but <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">this theory can't be ''fully'' laid to rest until there </del>is <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">a believable explanation for the [[9/11 anomalies|anomalous events of 9/11]].</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">In this scenario, the demolition of WTC1 & WTC2 was ''supposed'' to happen hours later, ''after'' all surviving occupants had been successfully evacuated. However, something went wrong in WTC2 &ndash; maybe an explosive charge got triggered by the fire, or maybe the fire damage ''really was'' significant enough, in that one building, </del>to <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">start a collapse.</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">Note: The ''start'' of WTC2's collapse makes much more sense, from an engineering point of view, than either of the other collapses: one corner had clearly been hit the hardest, and the building visibly starts to ''topple'' (presumably towards that corner... verify!) before the explosive charges begin the main collapse.</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* [<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">http://911review.com/errors/conspiracy.html ERROR: 'Inside Job Implies a Vast Conspiracy']: 9-11 Review doesn't find the governmental conspiracy angle all that implausible</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">* '''2005-07-26''' </del>[<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2005/07jul/kgriggs.html Kay Griggs - Sleeping With The Enemy] talks about military assassination squads; she says, among other comments about 9/11, '"After what I heard all those years and now putting it into prospective after 9/11, I think they are trying to destroy America. Their whole game is all about war, selling weapons and creating a militaristic society. I know first hand from listening to my husband, they will do anything – I mean anything including murder – to get what they want." ... Although Griggs said her husband never mentioned anything specific about 9/11 during their marriage, she claims he hinted several times that "war-gaming and airplane crashes" were necessary elements to control and manipulate the American population.'</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">==the [[wikipedia:I-35W Mississippi River bridge|</del>Minnesota bridge<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">]] </del>was blown up<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">==</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">''this is an original hypothesis which I haven't yet seen anywhere else, as of 2007-08-03; it is very likely wrong. -[[User:Woozle|W</del>]]<del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">.''</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">'''Hypothesis'''</del>: <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">The bridge was destroyed as part of a campaign to discredit science and engineering in the US. The Bush administration has always been [[Bush II administration anti-science|anti-science]]; this was exacerbated by reputable scientists and engineers finally getting involved in the [[9/11 anomalies|9/11 Truth movement]], which threatened to make such inquiries respectable and worthy of being taken seriously.</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">'''Evidence''':</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">* One short section of bridge collapsed separately from the water span. How could this happen naturally? (Possibly horizontal strain from the main span collapsing... but it ''feels'' suspicious.)</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">* The suddenness of the collapse seems wrong. You would expect one join to start tearing first, or something... (again, a completely non-engineering, non-scientific observation...) The [[googlevideo:-7067607397492145389|only video]] of the collapse doesn't show the side which apparently failed... but the bridge collapses ''straight down'' (echo of the descriptions of WTC collapses -- or just tired old conspiracy hack-phrase?) (On closer inspection of the video loop, it sometimes seems that what initially failed was the center of the span (the top of the shallow arch), which might explain the north-south symmetricity of the collapse but not necessarily the east-west. However, </del>it <del class="diffchange diffchange-inline">also sometimes looks like ''both ends of the main span'' descend abruptly by maybe 5-10 feet, simultaneously, and that this is what initiates the main collapse.)</del></div></td><td colspan="2"> </td></tr>
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</table>Woozlehttps://issuepedia.org/mw/index.php?title=Issuepedia:Rampant_Paranoia&diff=10347&oldid=prevWoozle: /* notes */ see also: Antony Sutton2008-05-14T23:06:00Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">notes: </span> see also: Antony Sutton</span></p>
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</table>Woozlehttps://issuepedia.org/mw/index.php?title=Issuepedia:Rampant_Paranoia&diff=9263&oldid=prevWoozle: /* Introduction */ link to local "conspiracy theories" page2008-01-05T18:49:26Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Introduction: </span> link to local "conspiracy theories" page</span></p>
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</table>Woozlehttps://issuepedia.org/mw/index.php?title=Issuepedia:Rampant_Paranoia&diff=9262&oldid=prevWoozle: /* Bushco engineered 9/11 */ changed Pearl Harbor link to local2008-01-05T18:46:05Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment"><a href="/Bush_II_administration" class="mw-redirect" title="Bush II administration">Bushco</a> engineered 9/11: </span> changed Pearl Harbor link to local</span></p>
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</table>Woozlehttps://issuepedia.org/mw/index.php?title=Issuepedia:Rampant_Paranoia&diff=9261&oldid=prevWoozle: /* the Minnesota bridge was blown up */ some wacky information to add to the wacky theory2008-01-05T18:42:03Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-35W_Mississippi_River_bridge" class="extiw" title="wikipedia:I-35W Mississippi River bridge">Minnesota bridge</a> was blown up: </span> some wacky information to add to the wacky theory</span></p>
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</table>Woozlehttps://issuepedia.org/mw/index.php?title=Issuepedia:Rampant_Paranoia&diff=7481&oldid=prevWoozle: /* Links */ Kay Griggs2007-09-08T22:37:13Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Links: </span> Kay Griggs</span></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* [http://911review.com/errors/conspiracy.html ERROR: 'Inside Job Implies a Vast Conspiracy']: 9-11 Review doesn't find the governmental conspiracy angle all that implausible</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* [http://911review.com/errors/conspiracy.html ERROR: 'Inside Job Implies a Vast Conspiracy']: 9-11 Review doesn't find the governmental conspiracy angle all that implausible</div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">* '''2005-07-26''' [http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/2005/07jul/kgriggs.html Kay Griggs - Sleeping With The Enemy] talks about military assassination squads; she says, among other comments about 9/11, '"After what I heard all those years and now putting it into prospective after 9/11, I think they are trying to destroy America. Their whole game is all about war, selling weapons and creating a militaristic society. I know first hand from listening to my husband, they will do anything – I mean anything including murder – to get what they want." ... Although Griggs said her husband never mentioned anything specific about 9/11 during their marriage, she claims he hinted several times that "war-gaming and airplane crashes" were necessary elements to control and manipulate the American population.'</ins></div></td></tr>
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</table>Woozlehttps://issuepedia.org/mw/index.php?title=Issuepedia:Rampant_Paranoia&diff=7214&oldid=prevWoozle: /* the Minnesota bridge was blown up */ added "hypothesis:" to make the statement's nature clearer2007-08-20T22:59:44Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-35W_Mississippi_River_bridge" class="extiw" title="wikipedia:I-35W Mississippi River bridge">Minnesota bridge</a> was blown up: </span> added "hypothesis:" to make the statement's nature clearer</span></p>
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</table>Woozlehttps://issuepedia.org/mw/index.php?title=Issuepedia:Rampant_Paranoia&diff=7206&oldid=prevWoozle: /* Variant: Additional loss of life was accidental */ links: 9-11 Review2007-08-20T01:59:56Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Variant: Additional loss of life was accidental: </span> links: 9-11 Review</span></p>
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</table>Woozlehttps://issuepedia.org/mw/index.php?title=Issuepedia:Rampant_Paranoia&diff=7186&oldid=prevWoozle: /* Bushco engineered 9/11 */ variant: something went wrong in WTC22007-08-19T15:54:49Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment"><a href="/Bush_II_administration" class="mw-redirect" title="Bush II administration">Bushco</a> engineered 9/11: </span> variant: something went wrong in WTC2</span></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==[[Bush II administration|Bushco]] engineered 9/11==</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==[[Bush II administration|Bushco]] engineered 9/11==</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>This one is a perennial favorite among the fringe of the 9/11 Truth movement, which the media loves to put on display [[9/11 anomaly denial|as if it were the whole story]]. The theory goes something like this:</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>This one is a perennial favorite among the fringe of the 9/11 Truth movement, which the media loves to put on display [[9/11 anomaly denial|as if it were the whole story]]. The theory goes something like this:</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* Bushco needed a "Pearl Harbor" to galvanize America and gain support for a number of things:</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>* Bushco needed a "<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">[[wikipedia:Attack on Pearl Harbor|</ins>Pearl Harbor<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">]]" (or a "{{wpalt|Reichstag fire}}", or a </ins>"<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">{{wpalt|Gulf of Tonkin Incident}}") </ins>to galvanize America and gain support for a number of things:</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'>−</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>** [[US justifications for invading Iraq|the war he planned on Iraq]] (many Americans still believe Saddam was behind [[9/11]], or that Iraq had [[weapon of mass destruction|WMD]]s, both of which are completely wrong)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>** [[US justifications for invading Iraq|the war he planned on Iraq]] (<ins class="diffchange diffchange-inline">due to statements by Bushco, </ins>many Americans still believe Saddam was behind [[9/11]], or that Iraq had [[weapon of mass destruction|WMD]]s, both of which are completely wrong)</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>** [[Bush's elevation of presidential power|increased power for the president]] &ndash; the "strong executive" theory (which goes [[Bush II administration anti-democracy|completely against]] the [[separation of powers]] set up by the [[founding fathers]] in the [[Constitution (US)|Constitution]])</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>** [[Bush's elevation of presidential power|increased power for the president]] &ndash; the "strong executive" theory (which goes [[Bush II administration anti-democracy|completely against]] the [[separation of powers]] set up by the [[founding fathers]] in the [[Constitution (US)|Constitution]])</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>** Decreased civil rights, increasing government intrusion</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>** Decreased civil rights, increasing government intrusion</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>'''Conclusion''': Unlikely, but this theory can't be ''fully'' laid to rest until there is a believable explanation for the [[9/11 anomalies|anomalous events of 9/11]].</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>'''Conclusion''': Unlikely, but this theory can't be ''fully'' laid to rest until there is a believable explanation for the [[9/11 anomalies|anomalous events of 9/11]].</div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">===Variant: Additional loss of life was accidental===</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">In this scenario, the demolition of WTC1 & WTC2 was ''supposed'' to happen hours later, ''after'' all surviving occupants had been successfully evacuated. However, something went wrong in WTC2 &ndash; maybe an explosive charge got triggered by the fire, or maybe the fire damage ''really was'' significant enough, in that one building, to start a collapse.</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">With tenths of a second in which to make a decision, the charges to demolish WTC2 are set off. Whether or not this was a ''good'' decision depends heavily on the actual motives of those in the conspiracy, but it doesn't have to be a good decision; it was made in haste.</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">A hasty conference took place in which the conspirators decided what to do. Should they allow WTC1 to finish evacuating, or does it need to collapse as well? Their decisions may have been based on moral/rational considerations, although I can't think of any that don't have huge holes in them, but they may have instead been based on expedience: "Aw hell, we were gonna try to avoid killing anyone else... but damn, that tower coming down looked really good. Let's do it again, and really scare the crap out of everyone! It's [[we need another 9/11|for the good of the country]]." In other words, "in for a penny, in for a pound" -- which would seem consistent with the mentality of the "suborned" conspirators in the main theory.</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Note: The ''start'' of WTC2's collapse makes much more sense, from an engineering point of view, than either of the other collapses: one corner had clearly been hit the hardest, and the building visibly starts to ''topple'' (presumably towards that corner... verify!) before the explosive charges begin the main collapse.</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==the [[wikipedia:I-35W Mississippi River bridge|Minnesota bridge]] was blown up==</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==the [[wikipedia:I-35W Mississippi River bridge|Minnesota bridge]] was blown up==</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''this is an original hypothesis which I haven't yet seen anywhere else, as of 2007-08-03; it is very likely wrong. -[[User:Woozle|W]].''</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''this is an original hypothesis which I haven't yet seen anywhere else, as of 2007-08-03; it is very likely wrong. -[[User:Woozle|W]].''</div></td></tr>
</table>Woozlehttps://issuepedia.org/mw/index.php?title=Issuepedia:Rampant_Paranoia&diff=6995&oldid=prevWoozle: /* the Minnesota bridge was blown up */ more helpful ambiguity from the security cam video2007-08-03T16:20:51Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I-35W_Mississippi_River_bridge" class="extiw" title="wikipedia:I-35W Mississippi River bridge">Minnesota bridge</a> was blown up: </span> more helpful ambiguity from the security cam video</span></p>
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