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* Wikipedia: |[[wikipedia:separation of church and state|separation of church and state]]| [[wikipedia:First Amendment to the United States Constitution|First Amendment to the United States Constitution]]|
 
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===Commentary===
 
===Commentary===
* [http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2005/12/original_intent.html why the mail is no longer delivered on Sunday] by Susan Jacoby: some history on separation of church and state in the US; [http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2005/12/putting-god-in-charge-if-they-could.html highlights and commentary] by Arthur Silber
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* '''2007-09-14''' [http://www.talk2action.org/story/2007/9/25/14631/2906 Russian Roulette: Orthodox Church Leaders Seek Influence Over Public Schools] by Rob Boston: "One of the most foolish arguments the Religious Right uses against church-state separation is that the concept is communistic."
 
* '''2006-11-12''' [http://lippard.blogspot.com/2006/11/public-school-teacher-tells-class-you.html Public school teacher tells class: "You belong in hell"]: an example of why separation is important
 
* '''2006-11-12''' [http://lippard.blogspot.com/2006/11/public-school-teacher-tells-class-you.html Public school teacher tells class: "You belong in hell"]: an example of why separation is important
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* '''2005-12-??''' [http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2005/12/original_intent.html why the mail is no longer delivered on Sunday] by Susan Jacoby: some history on separation of church and state in the US
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** [http://powerofnarrative.blogspot.com/2005/12/putting-god-in-charge-if-they-could.html highlights and commentary] by Arthur Silber
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===Discussion===
 
===Discussion===
 
* TruthMapping: [http://www.truthmapping.com/viewtopic.php?id=231 Should there be a division between church and state?]
 
* TruthMapping: [http://www.truthmapping.com/viewtopic.php?id=231 Should there be a division between church and state?]

Revision as of 10:40, 3 October 2007

Overview

"The separation of church and state is a concept and philosophy in modern thought and practice, whereby the structures of state or national government are proposed as needing to be separate from those of religious institutions. The concept has long been a topic of political debate throughout history." -- [W]

United States

This separation has become of particular interest lately in the United States, in that there has been a strong cultural movement to "include [the Christian] God" in daily life, and to "put God back" into various arenas from which religion had generally been excluded.

The Constitution

In the United States, the separation of church and state is spelled out in the First Amendment to the United States Constitution, which prohibits the Federal legislature from making laws that:

There are some areas where such separation is apparently ignored by tradition:

  • By law, the country's currency now carries the motto "In God We Trust." (Need source: what law?)
  • Congress begins its sessions with a prayer.
  • The words "under God" were, by law, added to the customary United States Pledge of Allegiance (on Flag Day in 1954).

There is obviously a vague area where "free excercise of religion" and "freedom of speech" come into contact with preventing the state from establishing or sanctioning a religion: a state-salaried teacher or principal (for example) arguably represents the voice of the state, which must be restrained by the establishment clause, but the same person is also an individual and has the rights of free speech and free excercise.

Other Sources

The 1796 Treaty with Tripoli includes the statement that "...the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion". It is sometimes argued that this provision is confirmation that the government of the United States was specifically intended to be religiously neutral, or that the United States is not historically "Christian", although there is apparently disagreement on this point.

notes

Part of the problem with "including God" is that, while it includes the vast majority of religions present in the United States, which are mainly branches of Judeo-Christianity (or, more technically, Abrahamic religions), it does exclude some of them, and is therefore arguably "preferring a certain religion". It also specifically excludes atheists and agnostics, who are now much greater in number than they were at the time of the First Amendment and sometimes feel threatened or coerced by official sanction of any ideas whose sole justification is found within religious doctrine.

Need to find some specifics about the battles over displaying the Ten Commandments in (or outside of) court.

Points for Discussion

  • How is it bad if God is excluded? How is it bad if God is included? Does "including God" include all religions, or are some disqualified as being pagan, heathen, etc.?
  • Why should an atheist feel excluded, or even threatened, when God is mentioned? (see discussion page for more)

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