Difference between revisions of "Thread:Talk:Main Page/mapping out discussion with Wendy"
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I think we're agreed on the following points: | I think we're agreed on the following points: | ||
− | * Trans women are women, trans men are men. | + | * <s>Trans women are women, trans men are men.</s> - she doesn't agree with this; discussion needed |
* Trans people of all types are (as much as anyone else) entitled to NHS medical treatment, under their direction, to assist with transition and maintenance. | * Trans people of all types are (as much as anyone else) entitled to NHS medical treatment, under their direction, to assist with transition and maintenance. | ||
* Actual trans women are not an enemy of cis women. | * Actual trans women are not an enemy of cis women. | ||
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Points to be verified/discussed: | Points to be verified/discussed: | ||
− | # from Wendy (paraphrased): | + | # from Wendy (paraphrased if not in quotes): |
+ | ## "Biologically, you can't change sex." | ||
+ | ## "Refusing to present in a feminine appearance makes women suspicious if a male-presenting person shows up in a space meant for women. It's what all the fighting is about." - this issue probably depends on the belief that trans women are not biologically women | ||
## There are people posing as trans women for malicious reasons. | ## There are people posing as trans women for malicious reasons. | ||
### One example is [[UK/Karen White]]. | ### One example is [[UK/Karen White]]. |
Latest revision as of 13:21, 19 June 2020
I think we're agreed on the following points:
Trans women are women, trans men are men.- she doesn't agree with this; discussion needed- Trans people of all types are (as much as anyone else) entitled to NHS medical treatment, under their direction, to assist with transition and maintenance.
- Actual trans women are not an enemy of cis women.
- The trans legal situation the UK is generally much better than in the US.
- Unlike the US, trans people already have full rights to be recognized as their gender identity. (This includes restrooms and so forth.)
- ...and this may be a cause of some misunderstanding when UK people talk about trans issues on social media.
- "Cis" is not a slur.
Points to be verified/discussed:
- from Wendy (paraphrased if not in quotes):
- "Biologically, you can't change sex."
- "Refusing to present in a feminine appearance makes women suspicious if a male-presenting person shows up in a space meant for women. It's what all the fighting is about." - this issue probably depends on the belief that trans women are not biologically women
- There are people posing as trans women for malicious reasons.
- One example is UK/Karen White.
- The current furor is around the question of whether to expand existing laws, to give more protections.
- Those laws are fine as they are.
- ...despite leaving loopholes for exploitation by fake trans people.
- from Woozle: