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==Claims==
 
==Claims==
* There was a "witch hunt" or "inquisition"<ref name=reason /> against Tim Hunt. Hunt was "crucified by fanatics"<ref name=tele />, an "intolerant mob"<ref name=reason /> and "expel[led] from public life"<ref name=reason />.
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* There was a "witch hunt"<ref name=Dawkins />, "inquisition"<ref name=reason />, and/or "feeding frenzy"<ref name=Dawkins /> against Tim Hunt, who was "crucified by fanatics"<ref name=tele-06-20 />, an "intolerant mob"<ref name=reason /> and "expel[led] from public life"<ref name=reason />, "hounded out"<ref name=BrianCox /> by "mob rule"<ref name=Dawkins /> in a "trial by social media"<ref name=BrianCox />.
 
** How so? No relevant details given.
 
** How so? No relevant details given.
 
* Hunt was "hung out to dry" by UCL.
 
* Hunt was "hung out to dry" by UCL.
 
** If he was "hung out to dry", why did he resign voluntarily? Did he even argue with UCL about it? Where is that argument reported?
 
** If he was "hung out to dry", why did he resign voluntarily? Did he even argue with UCL about it? Where is that argument reported?
 
* Hunt was only joking.<ref name=reason />
 
* Hunt was only joking.<ref name=reason />
* But the laughter in the original recording ''proves'' that he was joking.
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** What is the evidence for this?
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*** The laughter in the original recording ''proves'' that he was joking.
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**** No, it doesn't. That just proves that the people who laughed thought what he said was funny -- which could have been it could have been "funny as in true" or "funny as in I can't believe he said that".
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*** Hunt himself said he was only joking.<ref name=tele-06-11 />
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**** He also seems to have meant them sincerely nonetheless. "I did mean the part about having trouble with girls. It is true that people - I have fallen in love with people in the lab and people in the lab have fallen in love with me and it's very disruptive to the science because it's terribly important that in a lab people are on a level playing field. I found that these emotional entanglements made life very difficult."<ref name=tele-06-11 />
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*** He also acknowledged that, in retrospect, the comments were not funny: "I accept that my attempts at a self-deprecating joke were ill-judged and not in the least bit funny."<ref name=kofwst />
 
* More female scientists have come out in support of Hunt than have come out against.
 
* More female scientists have come out in support of Hunt than have come out against.
** Documentation?
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** Documentation? This would require a collection of links to female scientists expressing opinions on Hunt. Where is this collection?
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* Hunt was fired from his position.
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** No, he resigned.
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* Hunt was forced to resign.<ref name=tele-06-20 />
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* Hunt was misquoted.
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** No, Hunt has never denied saying the things attributed to him by St Louis.
  
 
==Timeline==
 
==Timeline==
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==Links==
 
==Links==
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* '''2015-06-08''' [https://twitter.com/connie_stlouis/status/607813783075954688 Tweet: Connie St Louis] (most of the content is text in an image)
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* '''2015-06-09''' [http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/06/09/nobel-prize-winning-biologist-calls-women-love-hungry-cry-babies.html Nobel Prize-Winning Biologist Calls Women Love-Hungry Crybabies]
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* '''2015-06-09''' http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2015/06/09/being-a-good-scientist-doesnt-make-one-a-good-person/
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* '''2015-06-10''' http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2015/06/10/mediocre/
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* '''2015-06-10''' [http://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-articles/0615/100615-tim-hunt Sir Tim Hunt FRS and UCL]: resignation announcement
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* '''2015-06-11''' [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/11667002/Sexism-row-scientist-Sir-Tim-Hunt-quits-over-trouble-with-girls-speech.html Sexism row scientist Sir Tim Hunt quits over ‘trouble with girls’ speech]
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* '''2015-06-11''' http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2015/06/11/removing-sexism-strengthens-academia/
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* '''2015-06-11''' http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/06/11/1392298/-British-Nobel-Laureate-resigns-after-being-exposed-as-a-chauvinist-oaf
 
* '''2015-06-13''' [http://reason.com/archives/2015/06/13/the-illiberal-persecution-of-tim-hunt The Illiberal Persecution of Tim Hunt]
 
* '''2015-06-13''' [http://reason.com/archives/2015/06/13/the-illiberal-persecution-of-tim-hunt The Illiberal Persecution of Tim Hunt]
 
* '''2015-06-14''' http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2015/06/14/the-nobel-is-not-a-get-out-of-jail-free-card/
 
* '''2015-06-14''' http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2015/06/14/the-nobel-is-not-a-get-out-of-jail-free-card/
 
* '''2015-06-15''' http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2015/06/15/liberal-academia-gets-to-tell-brendan-oneill-that-hes-full-of-shit/
 
* '''2015-06-15''' http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2015/06/15/liberal-academia-gets-to-tell-brendan-oneill-that-hes-full-of-shit/
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* '''2015-06-16''' [http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jun/16/boris-johnson-criticised-over-women-crying-remarks Boris Johnson criticised over 'women crying' remarks]
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* '''2015-06-16''' [http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/16/brian-cox-criticises-disproportionate-reaction-to-tim-hunts-comments Brian Cox criticises 'disproportionate' reaction to Tim Hunt's comments]
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* '''2015-06-16''' [https://conniestlouis.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/press-release-kofwst-and-sir-tim-hunt_june-17.pdf Demand letter for apology and Response of Sir Tim Hunt] by <abbr title="Korea Federation of Women's Science & Technology Associations">KOFWST</abbr>
 
* '''2015-06-17''' http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2015/06/17/thats-a-slightly-better-apology/
 
* '''2015-06-17''' http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2015/06/17/thats-a-slightly-better-apology/
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* '''2015-06-19''' [http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/19/tim-hunt-the-victim-of-self-righteous-feeding-frenzy-says-richard-dawkins Tim Hunt the victim of self-righteous feeding frenzy, says Richard Dawkins]
 
* '''2015-06-19''' http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2015/06/19/a-question-for-richard-dawkins/
 
* '''2015-06-19''' http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2015/06/19/a-question-for-richard-dawkins/
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* '''2015-06-20''' [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/11688134/Nobel-prizewinners-defend-Sir-Tim-Hunt-amid-sexism-row.html Nobel prizewinners defend Sir Tim Hunt amid 'sexism' row]
 
* '''2015-06-20''' http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2015/06/20/i-thought-they-didnt-like-hyperbole/
 
* '''2015-06-20''' http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2015/06/20/i-thought-they-didnt-like-hyperbole/
 
* '''2015-06-21''' http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterfliesandwheels/2015/06/utterly-ruined-by-sexist-speaker/
 
* '''2015-06-21''' http://freethoughtblogs.com/butterfliesandwheels/2015/06/utterly-ruined-by-sexist-speaker/
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==Footnotes==
 
==Footnotes==
 
<references>
 
<references>
<ref name=tele>'''2015-06-20''' [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/11688134/Nobel-prizewinners-defend-Sir-Tim-Hunt-amid-sexism-row.html Nobel prizewinners defend Sir Tim Hunt amid 'sexism' row] (via [http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2015/06/20/i-thought-they-didnt-like-hyperbole/ FtB]) "Sir Andre Geim, of the University of Manchester who shared the Nobel prize for physics in 2010 said that Sir Tim had been 'crucified' by ideological fanatics , and castigated UCL for 'ousting' him."</ref>
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<ref name=tele-06-11>'''2015-06-11''' [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/science-news/11667002/Sexism-row-scientist-Sir-Tim-Hunt-quits-over-trouble-with-girls-speech.html Sexism row scientist Sir Tim Hunt quits over ‘trouble with girls’ speech]</ref>
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<ref name=kofwst>'''2015-06-16''' [https://conniestlouis.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/press-release-kofwst-and-sir-tim-hunt_june-17.pdf Demand letter for apology and Response of Sir Tim Hunt] by <abbr title="Korea Federation of Women's Science & Technology Associations">KOFWST</abbr></ref>
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<ref name=tele-06-20>'''2015-06-20''' [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/11688134/Nobel-prizewinners-defend-Sir-Tim-Hunt-amid-sexism-row.html Nobel prizewinners defend Sir Tim Hunt amid 'sexism' row] (via [http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2015/06/20/i-thought-they-didnt-like-hyperbole/ FtB]) "Sir Andre Geim, of the University of Manchester who shared the Nobel prize for physics in 2010 said that Sir Tim had been 'crucified' by ideological fanatics , and castigated UCL for 'ousting' him."</ref>
 
<ref name=reason>'''2015-06-13''' [http://reason.com/archives/2015/06/13/the-illiberal-persecution-of-tim-hunt The Illiberal Persecution of Tim Hunt]</ref>
 
<ref name=reason>'''2015-06-13''' [http://reason.com/archives/2015/06/13/the-illiberal-persecution-of-tim-hunt The Illiberal Persecution of Tim Hunt]</ref>
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<ref name=Dawkins>'''2015-06-19''' [http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/19/tim-hunt-the-victim-of-self-righteous-feeding-frenzy-says-richard-dawkins Tim Hunt the victim of self-righteous feeding frenzy, says Richard Dawkins]</ref>
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<ref name=BrianCox>'''2015-06-16''' [http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/16/brian-cox-criticises-disproportionate-reaction-to-tim-hunts-comments Brian Cox criticises 'disproportionate' reaction to Tim Hunt's comments]</ref>
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</references>
 
</references>

Revision as of 22:49, 23 July 2015

Claims

  • There was a "witch hunt"[1], "inquisition"[2], and/or "feeding frenzy"[1] against Tim Hunt, who was "crucified by fanatics"[3], an "intolerant mob"[2] and "expel[led] from public life"[2], "hounded out"[4] by "mob rule"[1] in a "trial by social media"[4].
    • How so? No relevant details given.
  • Hunt was "hung out to dry" by UCL.
    • If he was "hung out to dry", why did he resign voluntarily? Did he even argue with UCL about it? Where is that argument reported?
  • Hunt was only joking.[2]
    • What is the evidence for this?
      • The laughter in the original recording proves that he was joking.
        • No, it doesn't. That just proves that the people who laughed thought what he said was funny -- which could have been it could have been "funny as in true" or "funny as in I can't believe he said that".
      • Hunt himself said he was only joking.[5]
        • He also seems to have meant them sincerely nonetheless. "I did mean the part about having trouble with girls. It is true that people - I have fallen in love with people in the lab and people in the lab have fallen in love with me and it's very disruptive to the science because it's terribly important that in a lab people are on a level playing field. I found that these emotional entanglements made life very difficult."[5]
      • He also acknowledged that, in retrospect, the comments were not funny: "I accept that my attempts at a self-deprecating joke were ill-judged and not in the least bit funny."[6]
  • More female scientists have come out in support of Hunt than have come out against.
    • Documentation? This would require a collection of links to female scientists expressing opinions on Hunt. Where is this collection?
  • Hunt was fired from his position.
    • No, he resigned.
  • Hunt was forced to resign.[3]
  • Hunt was misquoted.
    • No, Hunt has never denied saying the things attributed to him by St Louis.

Timeline

The affair seems to have started with this Tweet by Connie St. Louis on June 8: https://twitter.com/connie_stlouis/status/607813783075954688

June 9

A Daily Beast article describes Hunt's original remarks, explains why they're a problem, and goes on to paint a broader picture of sexism in science : http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/06/09/nobel-prize-winning-biologist-calls-women-love-hungry-cry-babies.html

That article was discussed in a blog post by PZ Myers on Pharyngula: http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2015/06/09/being-a-good-scientist-doesnt-make-one-a-good-person/ "All I can say is... fuck off, dinosaur. We’re better off without you in any position of authority."

The Royal Society (of which Hunt is a member, but not an employee as far as I can tell) then "acted to distance itself" from Hunt's remarks: http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2015/06/10/mediocre/ -- the Royal Society is hardly a bastion of inclusiveness (355 years old and never once had a female president), so I can't see this as a knee-jerk reaction.

June 10

Hunt resigns from his honorary position at UCL (University College London): http://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-articles/0615/100615-tim-hunt

The position was unpaid and did not offer any special privileges; he wasn't doing research there or anything. It was purely for PR. When he dramatically failed at maintaining UCL's positive reputation, it was time to end the relationship.

June 11

PZ Myers reacts approvingly: http://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/2015/06/11/removing-sexism-strengthens-academia/

...but the matter didn't end there.

Links

Footnotes

  1. 1.0 1.1 1.2 2015-06-19 Tim Hunt the victim of self-righteous feeding frenzy, says Richard Dawkins
  2. 2.0 2.1 2.2 2.3 2015-06-13 The Illiberal Persecution of Tim Hunt
  3. 3.0 3.1 2015-06-20 Nobel prizewinners defend Sir Tim Hunt amid 'sexism' row (via FtB) "Sir Andre Geim, of the University of Manchester who shared the Nobel prize for physics in 2010 said that Sir Tim had been 'crucified' by ideological fanatics , and castigated UCL for 'ousting' him."
  4. 4.0 4.1 2015-06-16 Brian Cox criticises 'disproportionate' reaction to Tim Hunt's comments
  5. 5.0 5.1 2015-06-11 Sexism row scientist Sir Tim Hunt quits over ‘trouble with girls’ speech
  6. 2015-06-16 Demand letter for apology and Response of Sir Tim Hunt by KOFWST