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Submitted for your amusement, a set of emails exchanged between myself and a certain ostrich relative. | Submitted for your amusement, a set of emails exchanged between myself and a certain ostrich relative. | ||
{{note.comment|Text like this with a green background is an editorial comment, not included in the original exchange.}} | {{note.comment|Text like this with a green background is an editorial comment, not included in the original exchange.}} | ||
| − | + | ==2008-05-01 16:32 Ostrich to Woozle== | |
| + | http://www.emailthis.clickability.com/et/emailThis?clickMap=viewThis&etMailToID=1135334870&pt=Y | ||
| − | + | unbelievable! | |
| + | {{note.comment|Link is a WSJ op-ed about how badly the US government has mucked up recent attempts to upgrade their census counting. Or something like that.}} | ||
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| + | ==2008-05-?? Woozle to Ostrich== | ||
| + | ...it seems clear that the FedGov needs an IT department. Once upon a time, the [[Office of Technology Assessment]] might have overseen that service, or helped to create it; the Republican 104th Congress, in their God-given wisdom, dissolved it in 1995, apparently figuring that technological progress would soon be slowing due to their efforts to handicap a generation of future scientists by teaching creationism in the public schools. | ||
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| + | The FedGov needs an IT department to help it up out of the 1960s, and we need the OTA back. | ||
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| + | http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2007/09/bring_back_the_ota.php | ||
==2008-05-02 07:46 Ostrich to Woozle== | ==2008-05-02 07:46 Ostrich to Woozle== | ||
| − | W: You can't blame the Feds for creationism; that's strictly a state folly! | + | W: You can't blame the Feds for creationism; that's strictly a state folly! for dissolving govt. departments -- way to go!... |
==2008-05-02 14:19 Woozle to Ostrich== | ==2008-05-02 14:19 Woozle to Ostrich== | ||
In that case, one would certainly *expect* the government to be inept at | In that case, one would certainly *expect* the government to be inept at | ||
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would reduce the amount of checking to be done. | would reduce the amount of checking to be done. | ||
==2008-05-02 16:21 Ostrich to Woozle== | ==2008-05-02 16:21 Ostrich to Woozle== | ||
| − | True -- and you can add Al Gore (I have a quote somewhere). | + | True -- and you can add Al Gore (I have a quote somewhere). the |
| − | Feds haven't actually done anything about creationism. | + | Feds haven't actually done anything about creationism. as I read |
the neocons, they really aren't small govt. people -- not on Ron Paul's | the neocons, they really aren't small govt. people -- not on Ron Paul's | ||
| − | side at all. | + | side at all. , libertarians criticize them for that. |
Bush has greatly increased the size of govt. | Bush has greatly increased the size of govt. | ||
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ineffective and wasteful, and then you have an excuse to cut the few parts of | ineffective and wasteful, and then you have an excuse to cut the few parts of | ||
it that actually provide services people need. | it that actually provide services people need. | ||
| − | {{quoteoff}} | + | {{quoteoff}} |
See above; I think that's nonsense. | See above; I think that's nonsense. | ||
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several OTAs, with change to spare for funding some decent research. | several OTAs, with change to spare for funding some decent research. | ||
{{quoteoff}} | {{quoteoff}} | ||
| − | Amen. | + | Amen. just again went through airport security, with people I know, |
| − | just to get into the EPA. | + | just to get into the EPA. the EPA should be protected, at our |
expense, when the terrorists are free to blow up Wallace Wade or | expense, when the terrorists are free to blow up Wallace Wade or | ||
Southpoint I do not know. | Southpoint I do not know. | ||
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morning; or the president declares the United States a Christian nation. | morning; or the president declares the United States a Christian nation. | ||
Under the Constitution Restoration Act, that'll all be just fine." | Under the Constitution Restoration Act, that'll all be just fine." | ||
| − | {{quoteoff}} | + | {{quoteoff}} |
| − | Well, I'm not a Christian but only the first of these bothers me much. | + | Well, I'm not a Christian but only the first of these bothers me much. |
No firing, but otherwise, let 'em say what they want. | No firing, but otherwise, let 'em say what they want. | ||
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{{quoteoff}} | {{quoteoff}} | ||
| − | See also Algore. | + | See also Algore. problem with ID is not that it is taught but that |
it is taught as science. | it is taught as science. | ||
==2008-05-02 19:32 Woozle to Ostrich== | ==2008-05-02 19:32 Woozle to Ostrich== | ||
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''Ostrich said:'' | ''Ostrich said:'' | ||
{{quoteon}} | {{quoteon}} | ||
| − | And as I read the neocons, they really aren't small govt. people -- not on Ron Paul's side at all. | + | And as I read the neocons, they really aren't small govt. people -- not on Ron Paul's side at all. , libertarians criticize them for that. Certainly Bush has greatly increased the size of govt. |
{{quoteoff}} | {{quoteoff}} | ||
So why support them? Why support McCain, who has Bush's support and has pledged to continue Bush's policies? Or am I misreading your inclinations? | So why support them? Why support McCain, who has Bush's support and has pledged to continue Bush's policies? Or am I misreading your inclinations? | ||
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Remind me how that would be a bad thing? I'm no great Hillary fan, but we need to be out of Iraq, and McCain has vowed to be there for another century. | Remind me how that would be a bad thing? I'm no great Hillary fan, but we need to be out of Iraq, and McCain has vowed to be there for another century. | ||
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| − | Ecch -- he was massively misquoted. | + | Ecch -- he was massively misquoted. analogized Iraq to our troops in S. Korea and Germany; he wasn't talking about a 100-year war. |
McCain for all his faults is honest, would rather win than lose any war, and doesn't plan to further enlarge the state. | McCain for all his faults is honest, would rather win than lose any war, and doesn't plan to further enlarge the state. | ||
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great -- although I did hear from a colleague the other day , that his | great -- although I did hear from a colleague the other day , that his | ||
wife works (for the gov) to try and sneak guns etc. on planes as a test | wife works (for the gov) to try and sneak guns etc. on planes as a test | ||
| − | for security effectiveness. | + | for security effectiveness. excellent idea. |
{{note.comment|I don't think I ever got around to responding to this... but was it not clear that we were talking about the Office of Technology Assessment?}} | {{note.comment|I don't think I ever got around to responding to this... but was it not clear that we were talking about the Office of Technology Assessment?}} | ||
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Remind me how that would be a bad thing? I'm no great Hillary fan, but we need to be out of Iraq, and McCain has vowed to be there for another century. | Remind me how that would be a bad thing? I'm no great Hillary fan, but we need to be out of Iraq, and McCain has vowed to be there for another century. | ||
{{quoteoff}} | {{quoteoff}} | ||
| − | Ecch -- he was massively misquoted. | + | Ecch -- he was massively misquoted. analogized Iraq to our troops in S. Korea and Germany; he wasn't talking about a 100-year war. |
{{quoteoff}} | {{quoteoff}} | ||
Okay, I found the quote, and that interpretation seems correct. | Okay, I found the quote, and that interpretation seems correct. | ||