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==About== | ==About== | ||
There have been repeated claims that ZJ engages in bigotry, especially anti-Semitism, and primarily on Twitter. We are collecting evidence in order to be able to investigate these claims. | There have been repeated claims that ZJ engages in bigotry, especially anti-Semitism, and primarily on Twitter. We are collecting evidence in order to be able to investigate these claims. | ||
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− | * ''' | + | The relevant Tweets are presented below without comment; Woozle's comments and analysis are [[/woozle|here]]. |
− | * ''' | + | ==Tweets== |
− | ** '''10-17 | + | ===2010=== |
− | + | * '''12-22 21:33''' [https://twitter.com/ZJemptv/status/17769849488932864 Holiday stupid: Someone commenting to tell me people are born Jewish and have no choice of whether to be Jewish.] ([http://archive.is/BBGse archive.is]) | |
− | + | ===2016=== | |
+ | * '''09-04''' [https://twitter.com/zjemptv/status/772362909171220480 If she directly ordered me to murder an innocent human being I would still choose her over him. Every time. In every possible universe.] | ||
+ | * '''10-08 10:08''' [https://twitter.com/ZJemptv/status/788018914080989185 Donald Trump is best understood as an entity sent by Yahweh of the Bible/Yeshu of Nazareth.] ([http://archive.is/lkucn archive.is]) | ||
+ | ** '''10-17 10:58''' (@AKA m33n4h) [https://twitter.com/ab_silvera/status/788031327123730432 do you realise how offensive it is to compare a dude who does constant anti-semitic dog whistles to Yahweh?] | ||
+ | *** Another Tweeter tries to explain why the comparison is apt, but AKA m33n4h sarcastically dismisses their argument. | ||
** '''10-18''': | ** '''10-18''': | ||
*** '''20:12''' (reply) [https://twitter.com/thetinkerfae/status/788533294749016065 you aren't Jewish this isn't your place. This is reading as antisemitic] | *** '''20:12''' (reply) [https://twitter.com/thetinkerfae/status/788533294749016065 you aren't Jewish this isn't your place. This is reading as antisemitic] | ||
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**** '''20:15''' (ZJ) [https://twitter.com/ZJemptv/status/788534046921981952 Sorry I phrased it that way. But a faith I don't believe doesn't have to first permit me my "place" before I can criticize it.] | **** '''20:15''' (ZJ) [https://twitter.com/ZJemptv/status/788534046921981952 Sorry I phrased it that way. But a faith I don't believe doesn't have to first permit me my "place" before I can criticize it.] | ||
**** '''20:16''' (ZJ) [https://twitter.com/ZJemptv/status/788534162965794817 If anything it's not your place to tell me I'm somehow not allowed to critically analyze the character God in religious texts.] | **** '''20:16''' (ZJ) [https://twitter.com/ZJemptv/status/788534162965794817 If anything it's not your place to tell me I'm somehow not allowed to critically analyze the character God in religious texts.] | ||
− | * ''' | + | ** '''11:01''' [https://twitter.com/ZJemptv/status/788032128940376064 Also the Old Testament is one long record of God straight-up fucking over the Israelites in every imaginable way] ([http://archive.is/3kkSY archive.is]) |
− | * ''' | + | ** '''11:04''' [https://twitter.com/ZJemptv/status/788032889325772804 No? Nothing in anything I said was speaking of actual practices of Jewish people. The Bible is fiction.] |
− | + | * '''10-20''': | |
+ | ** '''09:15''' (ZJ) [https://twitter.com/ZJemptv/status/789273968175972352 that's authoritative sounding but... what they said isn't? how do you figure?] | ||
+ | *** '''09:20''' (@PrincessOtC) [https://twitter.com/PrincessOtC/status/789275007625097217 How would you like a cis person cisplaining to you like this? Getting snarky, saying your trans views don't matter.] | ||
+ | ===2017=== | ||
+ | * '''06-09''': | ||
+ | ** '''03:16''' [https://twitter.com/ZJemptv/status/883947943992188930 I was wrong. I'm sorry.] | ||
+ | *** '''03:19''' (@patienceinbee) [https://twitter.com/patienceinbee/status/883948825647493120 could you expand a bit on this {\n\n} it hurt a *lot* of good people, Z] | ||
+ | *** '''03:28''' (ZJ) [https://twitter.com/ZJemptv/status/883950903484657665 I treated it unseriously and it was way out of line and incredibly disrespectful. I understand that now. I don't support drone strikes.] | ||
+ | *** '''03:32''' (ZJ) [https://twitter.com/ZJemptv/status/883951955952926721 There was no need for me to get into anything about antisemitism or communism. I could have just stepped away but I didn't.] | ||
+ | *** '''03:36''' (@patienceinbee) [https://twitter.com/patienceinbee/status/883953028176457728 idk, working thru the anti-Semitism, rather than whether it was expressed or withheld, is probably a more constructive means of remediation] | ||
+ | *** '''03:41''' [https://twitter.com/ZJemptv/status/883954175847084032 "Okay. I wasn't intending to express any kind of antisemitism. I know now that I should have just listened.] | ||
+ | *** '''03:46''' (@patienceinbee) [https://twitter.com/patienceinbee/status/883955509367361537 i think what came across as more crucial was an insistence on being right as logical premise & not on showing capacity for empathy/humility] | ||
+ | *** '''03:50''' [https://twitter.com/ZJemptv/status/883956574741569537 You're right and that's something I neglected. I disregarded the emotional side of things and was very unempathetic. I shouldn't have.] | ||
+ | *** '''04:04''' (@patienceinbee) [https://twitter.com/patienceinbee/status/883959959502950400 what i'm getting @: folks looked to you as a community organizer for work you've done. that twitterthon was a gesture of community sabotage...] | ||
+ | *** '''04:05''' (@patienceinbee) [https://twitter.com/patienceinbee/status/883960227091148800 ...not to yourself, but to all affected by your doubling-down in notably anti-social conduct. contrition will weigh far less than atonement] | ||
+ | *** '''04:10''' (ZJ) [https://twitter.com/ZJemptv/status/883961518806749184 I get that and I agree. It was needlessly and wantonly destructive. I am trying to make up for it.] | ||
+ | ==Acknowledgements== | ||
Many of these were found by "Joke Space Kabbalist": | Many of these were found by "Joke Space Kabbalist": | ||
* '''2017-08-24 20:12''' [https://twitter.com/politiquestions/status/900873477309087745 I got curious and dug deeper and...I had forgotten this all started with her trying to connect trump to our religious history] | * '''2017-08-24 20:12''' [https://twitter.com/politiquestions/status/900873477309087745 I got curious and dug deeper and...I had forgotten this all started with her trying to connect trump to our religious history] | ||
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Revision as of 11:29, 25 August 2017
About
There have been repeated claims that ZJ engages in bigotry, especially anti-Semitism, and primarily on Twitter. We are collecting evidence in order to be able to investigate these claims.
The relevant Tweets are presented below without comment; Woozle's comments and analysis are here.
Tweets
2010
- 12-22 21:33 Holiday stupid: Someone commenting to tell me people are born Jewish and have no choice of whether to be Jewish. (archive.is)
2016
- 09-04 If she directly ordered me to murder an innocent human being I would still choose her over him. Every time. In every possible universe.
- 10-08 10:08 Donald Trump is best understood as an entity sent by Yahweh of the Bible/Yeshu of Nazareth. (archive.is)
- 10-17 10:58 (@AKA m33n4h) do you realise how offensive it is to compare a dude who does constant anti-semitic dog whistles to Yahweh?
- Another Tweeter tries to explain why the comparison is apt, but AKA m33n4h sarcastically dismisses their argument.
- 10-18:
- 20:12 (reply) you aren't Jewish this isn't your place. This is reading as antisemitic
- 20:13 (ZJ) I would've chosen a different word given people interpreted it as just about Judaism. It's not, though.
- 20:14 (ZJ) It was meant to refer to Christianity's deity, Islam's, LDS Church's, etc.
- 20:15 (ZJ) Sorry I phrased it that way. But a faith I don't believe doesn't have to first permit me my "place" before I can criticize it.
- 20:16 (ZJ) If anything it's not your place to tell me I'm somehow not allowed to critically analyze the character God in religious texts.
- 20:12 (reply) you aren't Jewish this isn't your place. This is reading as antisemitic
- 11:01 Also the Old Testament is one long record of God straight-up fucking over the Israelites in every imaginable way (archive.is)
- 11:04 No? Nothing in anything I said was speaking of actual practices of Jewish people. The Bible is fiction.
- 10-17 10:58 (@AKA m33n4h) do you realise how offensive it is to compare a dude who does constant anti-semitic dog whistles to Yahweh?
- 10-20:
2017
- 06-09:
- 03:16 I was wrong. I'm sorry.
- 03:19 (@patienceinbee) could you expand a bit on this {\n\n} it hurt a *lot* of good people, Z
- 03:28 (ZJ) I treated it unseriously and it was way out of line and incredibly disrespectful. I understand that now. I don't support drone strikes.
- 03:32 (ZJ) There was no need for me to get into anything about antisemitism or communism. I could have just stepped away but I didn't.
- 03:36 (@patienceinbee) idk, working thru the anti-Semitism, rather than whether it was expressed or withheld, is probably a more constructive means of remediation
- 03:41 "Okay. I wasn't intending to express any kind of antisemitism. I know now that I should have just listened.
- 03:46 (@patienceinbee) i think what came across as more crucial was an insistence on being right as logical premise & not on showing capacity for empathy/humility
- 03:50 You're right and that's something I neglected. I disregarded the emotional side of things and was very unempathetic. I shouldn't have.
- 04:04 (@patienceinbee) what i'm getting @: folks looked to you as a community organizer for work you've done. that twitterthon was a gesture of community sabotage...
- 04:05 (@patienceinbee) ...not to yourself, but to all affected by your doubling-down in notably anti-social conduct. contrition will weigh far less than atonement
- 04:10 (ZJ) I get that and I agree. It was needlessly and wantonly destructive. I am trying to make up for it.
- 03:16 I was wrong. I'm sorry.
Acknowledgements
Many of these were found by "Joke Space Kabbalist":