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There have been repeated claims that ZJ engages in bigotry, especially anti-Semitism, and primarily on Twitter. We are collecting evidence in order to be able to investigate these claims. | There have been repeated claims that ZJ engages in bigotry, especially anti-Semitism, and primarily on Twitter. We are collecting evidence in order to be able to investigate these claims. | ||
| − | The relevant Tweets are presented below without comment | + | The relevant Tweets are presented below without comment. For analysis, see: |
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==Tweets== | ==Tweets== | ||
===2010=== | ===2010=== | ||
Revision as of 12:17, 25 August 2017
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There have been repeated claims that ZJ engages in bigotry, especially anti-Semitism, and primarily on Twitter. We are collecting evidence in order to be able to investigate these claims.
The relevant Tweets are presented below without comment. For analysis, see:
Tweets
2010
- 12-22 21:33 Holiday stupid: Someone commenting to tell me people are born Jewish and have no choice of whether to be Jewish. (archive.is)
2016
- 09-04 If she directly ordered me to murder an innocent human being I would still choose her over him. Every time. In every possible universe.
- 10-08 10:08 Donald Trump is best understood as an entity sent by Yahweh of the Bible/Yeshu of Nazareth. (archive.is)
- 10-17 10:58 (@AKA m33n4h) do you realise how offensive it is to compare a dude who does constant anti-semitic dog whistles to Yahweh?
- Another Tweeter tries to explain why the comparison is apt, but AKA m33n4h sarcastically dismisses their argument.
- 10-18:
- 20:12 (reply) you aren't Jewish this isn't your place. This is reading as antisemitic
- 20:13 (ZJ) I would've chosen a different word given people interpreted it as just about Judaism. It's not, though.
- 20:14 (ZJ) It was meant to refer to Christianity's deity, Islam's, LDS Church's, etc.
- 20:15 (ZJ) Sorry I phrased it that way. But a faith I don't believe doesn't have to first permit me my "place" before I can criticize it.
- 20:16 (ZJ) If anything it's not your place to tell me I'm somehow not allowed to critically analyze the character God in religious texts.
- 20:12 (reply) you aren't Jewish this isn't your place. This is reading as antisemitic
- 11:01 Also the Old Testament is one long record of God straight-up fucking over the Israelites in every imaginable way (archive.is)
- 11:04 No? Nothing in anything I said was speaking of actual practices of Jewish people. The Bible is fiction.
- 10-17 10:58 (@AKA m33n4h) do you realise how offensive it is to compare a dude who does constant anti-semitic dog whistles to Yahweh?
- 10-20:
- 13:48 (@hyenagirl64) "Moral core of the trans community." *shakes head*
- 13:50 (@hyenagirl64) It's almost like these folks have no involvement in the community and have no idea who anyone is besides their twitter faves.
- 13:52 (@hyenagirl64) I mean, if you asked me to name someone I'd name Janet Mox, or Laverne Cox, or the Wachowskis, or Chelsea Manning, or Tobi Hill-mayer...
- 13:53 (@hyenagirl64) ...and I wouldn't even name them because I know there are hundreds of hard working community organizers out there who go unnamed...
- 13:53 (@hyenagirl64) ...who are doing far more for the whole community than any blogger ever will.
- 13:55 (@hyenagirl64) Fuck, I'd name kadybat before Zinnia. Kadybat is helping run a sonic themed charity event for the transgender law center. How trans is that?
- 19:04 (ZJ) I actually don't want to be some moral center, nobody should be that and I don't think communities should work that way
- 20:52 (@PrincessOtC) then please stop talking and digging yourself into a bigger hole. stop presenting yourself as such a figure.
- 21:00 (ZJ) I don't want to. I think them seeing me as such a figure amplified the perceived urgency of this, to them.
- 21:06 (@PrincessOtC) when you go on lengthy authoritative sounding rants like this and project an ego it's what happens
- 21:11 (ZJ) the alternative being? what makes it lengthy or authoritative-sounding that I shouldn't be doing?
- 21:14 (@PrincessOtC) maybe not telling jews their jewish opinions don't matter for a start. sometimes you just need to take a backseat.
- 21:15 (ZJ) that's authoritative sounding but... what they said isn't? how do you figure?
- 21:19 (@PrincessOtC) Because she's actually fucking jewish and can tell you what antisemitism looks like. Jesus christ, Zinnia. Cop on.
- 21:20 (ZJ) I've been told by more Jewish people that this is not antisemitic than have ever said it is antisemitic
- 21:22 (@PrincessOtC) Where are these binders full of jews, Zinnia, that have told you this? Every jew I've shown your shit is disgusted.
- 21:23 (ZJ) Uh what? Where exactly is your binder?
- 21:25 (@PrincessOtC) you need to learn to shut the fuck up and actually listen to people that aren't your shitty liberal token friends.
- 21:29 (ZJ) You just called Jewish people "shitty liberal token[s". What would you say that is? Rhymes with 'ranty pacific']
- 21:31 (@PrincessOtC) you're the one who's been taking a dump on actual jews in all this, continually. people who've been tweeting you.
- 21:32 (@hyenagirl64) I don't have anything to add to this discussion. Please un-@ me.
- 21:20 (@PrincessOtC) How would you like a cis person cisplaining to you like this? Getting snarky, saying your trans views don't matter.
- 21:19 (@PrincessOtC) Because she's actually fucking jewish and can tell you what antisemitism looks like. Jesus christ, Zinnia. Cop on.
2017
- 06-09:
- 03:16 I was wrong. I'm sorry.
- 03:19 (@patienceinbee) could you expand a bit on this {\n\n} it hurt a *lot* of good people, Z
- 03:28 (ZJ) I treated it unseriously and it was way out of line and incredibly disrespectful. I understand that now. I don't support drone strikes.
- 03:32 (ZJ) There was no need for me to get into anything about antisemitism or communism. I could have just stepped away but I didn't.
- 03:36 (@patienceinbee) idk, working thru the anti-Semitism, rather than whether it was expressed or withheld, is probably a more constructive means of remediation
- 03:41 "Okay. I wasn't intending to express any kind of antisemitism. I know now that I should have just listened.
- 03:46 (@patienceinbee) i think what came across as more crucial was an insistence on being right as logical premise & not on showing capacity for empathy/humility
- 03:50 You're right and that's something I neglected. I disregarded the emotional side of things and was very unempathetic. I shouldn't have.
- 04:04 (@patienceinbee) what i'm getting @: folks looked to you as a community organizer for work you've done. that twitterthon was a gesture of community sabotage...
- 04:05 (@patienceinbee) ...not to yourself, but to all affected by your doubling-down in notably anti-social conduct. contrition will weigh far less than atonement
- 04:10 (ZJ) I get that and I agree. It was needlessly and wantonly destructive. I am trying to make up for it.
- 03:16 I was wrong. I'm sorry.
Acknowledgements
Many of these were found by "Joke Space Kabbalist":