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      • anonymous user 166.89.220.56 (who originally posted the Abortion Facts reprint link) says: "It's all about the money, and the damage (physical and mental) is ignored." This led to some debate.

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Eric Harrah was part owner of one of the nation's largest chains of abortion clinics. He recently converted to Christianity and walked away from the lucrative business of killing unborn children. Dr. Willke and Brad Mattes interviewed him regarding his involvement in the abortion industry.

  • Dr. W: I am curious about your function in the clinic. Were you basically a business manager, owner?
  • Brad: How did you select areas to open abortion clinics?
  • Dr. W: How would you hire the abortionists?
  • Eric: Well, before you would even go to a town, you would usually have your doctors lined up. A lot of times, doctors would contact me. There was always some doctor somewhere in some town who was already doing abortions. Also, in larger demographic areas (metropolitan areas) it was easy to tap any number of residency programs.
  • Eric: That was not all I hired, but that was a very nice pool to be able to select from, because they were interested. You take a resident, bring him into an abortion clinic and they work part-time, even just one day a week. They can make $75,000 a year, if not more, which is very beneficial to pay off their student loans.
  • Brad: How many states did you have clinics in?
  • Eric: About 11 or 12.
  • Brad: And how many abortions did your chain of abortion clinics do?
  • Eric: If I take all the numbers from the time I started in the abortion industry to the time I got out (10 years), we probably did about a quarter of a million total.
  • Brad: Were the abortions that were done in your clinics limited to first trimester abortions?

-second to early third trimester abortions.

  • Eric: No. Every place has different laws. In New Jersey, you can only go to 14 weeks in a clinic setting, but what you do is get approved and open up a surgi-center where you can get abortions done. Pennsylvania, which prides itself on having some of the strictest abortion laws, actually has some of the most lenient and is a mecca for late--


Steven Bringham-

  • Brad: And he continues to perform abortions?
  • Brad: Did pro-life efforts ever stop one of your clinics from opening?
  • Eric: None of mine.
  • Brad: Would you have any advice for pro-lifers on what they might do to effectively stop a clinic now?
  • Eric: Oh, there are so many things they could do. You would have to do a whole separate newsletter on it. I go around speaking now to right-to-life groups clueing them in on what to do.
  • Brad: Are there effective ways the pro-life movement can stop abortion clinics from opening?
  • Eric: Oh, there are many peaceful, nonviolent ways that are totally legal that would not be part of the supposed, alleged RICO
  • Brad: How did you get into the abortion area to begin with?
  • Eric: I was with some friends on our way to the beach, and we saw a right-to--choice. I was very liberal, politically. We pulled into the clinic and asked if there was anything we could do to help. They said we could join NOW. I joined. I became secretary of my county chapter. A year later I became vice president of the Delaware state chapter, and a year-and-a--choice. Their true interest in keeping abortion legal, in my opinion, is so they can keep their big, fancy offices in Washington, their nice clothing expenses and their personal expense accounts.
  • Brad: When you were involved in this industry, what was your annual income?
  • Eric: When I walked away from the clinics, I walked away from everything. I left my ownership and my money there. I wanted nothing else to do with it. The average doctor who does abortions one day a week at a clinic averages 25-40 abortions. He will walk away in his pocket with an average of $100,000-$125,000 a year. An average clinic that performs roughly around 8,000 abortions will gross approximately $1 million a year.

-70% of all abortions takes place on Saturdays.

  • Brad: How many women do they usually schedule in a day?

-60 women. Usually, that takes two abortionists, but I have seen doctors kick out 40--

  • Dr. W: You get those incentive payments?

-$2,500 for a first trimester case than pay $7,000-$8,000 for prenatal, labor and delivery.

  • Brad: So do you, as the clinic owner, pocket that money?
  • Eric: Oh, definitely.
  • Brad: Let me ask you about your attitude and contact with the women.


  • Eric: Definitely. I found myself, probably the last half of the time that I was involved in the abortion industry, very depressed about it, which led to a cocaine drug addiction, and toward the very end, I think I ended up hating them.
  • Brad: Why was that?



  • Brad: So were the options more for your benefit to ease your conscience than for the women?
  • Dr. W: And the longer you were in it, the less you cared?

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  • Brad: Were there any direct financial incentives by drug companies?
  • Eric: Yes, there were.
  • Eric: And while there was legislation to curb that, it still goes on. You have to understand that drug reps worked on commission. Their income is generated by how many of their "scripts" are being refilled at local pharmacies.
  • Dr. W: Let me ask about picketing out front. Did you have that in front of some of your places? And what influence did that have?
  • Dr. W: And some of those women never came in?
  • Eric: Yes.
  • Brad: You saw those dollar bills walking away.

-aged women and senior citizen women because I think, in their minds, those women had valuable advice.

  • Dr. W: Did you have escorts to help bring the women in?
  • Eric: Yes, at times, yes, we did.
  • Dr. W: And was that effective on your part?
  • Dr. W: Is there any particular piece of literature that you recall that you feared the most?
  • Eric: Yes, one by your group, actually, that I used to hate. It was the one that you did about fetal development.
  • Dr. W: "Did You Know?"

-to-

  • Brad: What about your lifestyle as an abortion clinic owner. Your chain was one of the largest in the nation, is that correct?

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  • Brad: You enjoyed material possessions too, I would imagine.
  • Eric: Yes. The travel, the money was just there. It was a very, very comfortable living. And it was easy money.
  • Dr. W: We hear that the number of abortionists is declining, is aging, and that worries the industry.
  • Eric: The number of these abortionists, yes, is declining, but what is increasing now is what's called "docs in a box", doctors who hold licenses in anywhere from 5 to 20 states and spend their time flying from state to state just doing abortions. You also have what are called "mega-docs" who totally control a certain geographic area. Those are on the increase.. You should see the anti--


  • Brad: When you left the industry, you left everything behind?
  • Dr. W: And what are you living off of now?
  • Brad: Tell us about your book.

-all book about the abortion industry itself and it also gets into the areas of my life I was involved in, which was homosexuality and how prevalent homosexuality actually is in the abortion business. "The girls do carry on," as we used to say.

  • Dr. W: Homosexual males or homosexual females?


NOW, NARAL and The Fund no longer control the abortion industry. They did for a while, but the feminists no longer control it. What you have now is a bigger struggle going on now between them and Planned Parenthood. Planned Parenthood is hated by any doctor or [abortion] clinic that is independently owned and operated. Their [

  • Dr. W: Yes, PP has an image of doing it legitimately.
  • Eric: Yes, but what PP also has within the business itself is their record of being racist, squashing competition and outright lying about competition to squash them. What PP wants is a monopoly in the abortion business.
  • Brad: Tell us about how you switched from pro-abortion to pro-life.

-to-

  • Brad: Give us some detail of how they reached out to you.
  • Eric: Well, there was a big battle getting the clinic open here in State College. I was on the front page of the paper, I think, for forty-some odd days straight. It was the biggest news story, I think, ever to hit this town. There were protests, prayer marches and all kinds of things that the right-to--to-
  • Brad: But he reached out to you with love and not hate and that made the difference?
  • Eric: Exactly, yes.
  • Brad: Was it a lonely existence where you were at that time?
  • Brad: You shared homes together then?
  • Eric: Yes, we did.


  • Dr. W: How do you view violence to stop abortions from being performed?
  • Eric: I do not accept, nor will I ever tolerate, anyone who label themselves a Christian or a pro--life.
  • Dr. W: I agree with you strongly.
  • Eric: Dr. Willke, the reason I agreed to do an interview with you is because, over the years, you have stayed consistent. You never advocated violence. Every piece of information I ever saw that you put out was truthful, it was honest and it was never hate-filled.
  • Brad: You recently came out of the abortion industry. Tell us about some of the new things pro-lifers should be concerned about.
  • Eric: The non-surgical, Methotrexate/Misoprostil--
  • Dr. W: And totally unregulated.
  • Eric: Dr. Willke, Abortion is totally unregulated! Anybody can open up an abortion clinic. Almost any doctor can work there, even anesthesiologists. A psychiatrist

can do an abortion because he or she has MD or DO after their name.

  • Brad: Did you have experiences in your clinics with chemical abortions?
  • Dr. W: How about the RU 486? Were you in on any of those trials?

-to-Life offices.

  • Eric: I understand that people are tired, but they need to get re-
  • Dr. W: The one thing that has really energized pro-lifers has been partial-birth abortion.
  • Eric: That has totally floored me! The American people also need to know, when they talk about abortion at 14, 15 or 16 weeks, you pull a baby apart to get it out. I have seen my fair share of D&X abortions done over the years. I started to see more abortions that were done on fetuses where the baby was born whole and was left there to die. With the advent of new medications to help in labor, there is not such a need to do the gruesome D&X abortions.
  • Brad: She essentially went into premature labor, is that what they did?
  • Eric: Exactly, yes. They would cause premature labor, she would be delivered and the fetus would be put aside to die.
  • Brad: How do you think pro-lifers have fared in the public forum?
  • Eric: You know what the most hated commercial that the right-to-lifers ever put out was? It was "Life, What a Beautiful Choice". We hated that commercial. It even made me feel guilty, showing these beautiful babies.
  • Brad: Did you experience anything with Post-Abortion Syndrome?

--lock bags. I consider myself to be an abortion-survivor because I was on a fast track of dying because of it. Post-

  • Brad: So you saw it in women?
  • Eric: I saw it in women ten minutes after the abortion. I saw it in women a year after the abortion. They would call begging for help.
  • Brad: What was your response to them?


  • Dr. W: And they went away?
  • Eric: They went away, but at some point in time, they would usually re-
  • Brad: So the abortion industry is aware of Post-Abortion Syndrome?
  • Eric: Yes, but they deny it.
  • Dr. W: How about effect on men?
  • Dr. W: Sweet-talk her into it and then leave her there.
  • Dr. W: Eric, we really do thank you for your time and your straightforward answers. I encourage you to keep writing your book.