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Exposition

This page is to explore the theory that Arafat was offered a reasonable proposal and should have accepted it at the Camp David & Taba talks in 2000-2001. What was the best offer by Clinton during Camp David & at Bollinger? Was this offer reasonable? Why did Arafat refuse?

This page uses the Wiki Issue Exploration Structure.

Statement of background with agreed facts

July 11 2000 Camp David Summit convened

July 25 2000 Camp David Summit conclusion

Trilateral Statement issued.

December 18 2000 Bolling Airforce Base Clinton makes a yes/no offer to both, details: ?What were the exact details of the offer?

Jan 2 2001 Arafat rejects Dec. 18th offer

January 7 Clinton Speech at the Israel Policy Dinner

"Both Prime Minister Barak and Chairman Arafat have now accepted these parameters as the basis for further efforts. Both have expressed some reservations."

Find links to Israeli & Palestinian reservations on the Clinton/Ross offer of Dec 18th.

January 21 2001 Taba Summit convened

January 27 2001 Taba Summit conclusion

Saudi Prince Bandar Comments

"Bandar believed that Arafat's failure to accept the deal in January of 2001 was a tragic mistake-a crime, really." Is Elza Walsh's New Yorker Article the correct source?

Contentious Points

1. Clinton was distracted by the Lewisinky Scandal

Show evidence how this effected negotiations

Conclusions

1.

Jimmy Carter said, in Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid:

The best offer to the Palestinians [from Camp David] - by Clinton, not Barak - had been to withdraw 20 percent of the settlers, leaving more than 180,000 in 209 settlements, covering about 10 percent of the occupied land, including land to be "leased" and portions of the Jordan River valley and East Jerusalem. The percentage figure is misleading, since it usually includes only the actual footprints of the settlements ... the West Bank into at least two noncontiguous areas and multiple fragments ... [no] Palestinian leader could accept such terms and survive...

Jimmy Carter, Arafat, Clayton E. Swisher, Robert Malley, Hussein Agha, Noam Chomsky who believe it was not a reasonable offer [at Camp David] and rightly rejected by Arafat.

2.

Alan Dershowitz said, in The World According to Carter:

Carter blames Israel, and exonerates Arafat, for the Palestinian refusal to accept statehood on 95% of the West Bank and all of Gaza pursuant to the Clinton-Barak offers of Camp David and Taba in 2000-2001. He accepts the Palestinian revisionist history, rejects the eye-witness accounts of President Clinton and Dennis Ross and ignores Saudi Prince Bandar’s accusation that Arafat’s rejection of the proposal was “a crime” and that Arafat’s account “was not truthful” – except, apparently, to Carter. The fact that Carter chooses to believe Yassir Arafat over Bill Clinton speaks volumes.

Bill Clinton, Ehud Barak, Dennis Ross, Benny Morris, Alan Dershowitz who believe that Arafat was offered a reasonable proposal & should have accepted.

References

Wikipedia: Camp David 2000 Summit Taba 2001 Summit

Two books concerning these events directly:

The Missing Peace: The Inside Story of the Fight for Middle East Peace by Dennis Ross
The Truth About Camp David: The Untold Story About the Collapse of the Middle East Peace Process by Clayton E. Swisher

Debate in the New York Review of Books over what occured:

Hussein Agha, Robert Malley: Camp David: The Tragedy of Errors
Benny Morris: Camp David and After: An Exchange (1. An Interview with Ehud Barak)
Hussein Agha, Robert Malley: Camp David and After: An Exchange (2. A Reply to Ehud Barak)
Benny Morris, Ehud Barak, Reply by Hussein Agha, Robert Malley: Camp David and After—Continued

Audio commentary:

http://www.kcrw.com/news/programs/tp/tp010801middle_east_conflict
[Dennis Ross on Fox News Sunday http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,50830,00.html]

Other sites:

David Shyovitz: Camp David 2000
Robert Wright: Was Arafat the problem?
William Clinton: Speech at Israel Policy Dinner
Elsa Walsh: The Prince The New Yorker March 24, 2003

MAPS:

Projections of the Israeli offer at Camp David, the Israeli offer to Palestinians in December 2000, the Bridging Proposal of US President Clinton and the Israeli Offer of January 2001: http://www.mideastweb.org/lastmaps.htm
Regarding the Dennis Ross book there is criticism by Michael C. Desch at http://www.amconmag.com/2004_11_08/review.html

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+=== Exposition ===
 This page is to explore the theory that Arafat was offered a reasonable proposal and should have accepted it at the Camp David & Taba talks in 2000-2001.
-In doing so this page will try to prove/disprove the following assertions:
+What was the best offer by Clinton during Camp David & at Bollinger?
+Was this offer reasonable?
+Why did Arafat refuse?
-{{excerpt|Jimmy Carter said, in ''Palestine:Peace Not Apartheid'':}}
-The best offer to the Palestinians [from Camp David] - by Clinton, not Barak - had been to withdraw 20 percent of the settlers, leaving more than 180,000 in 209 settlements, covering about 10 percent of the occupied land, including land to be "leased" and portions of the Jordan River valley and East Jerusalem. The percentage figure is misleading, since it usually includes only the actual footprints of the settlements ... the West Bank into at least two noncontiguous areas and multiple fragments ... [no] Palestinian leader could accept such terms and survive...
-{{-excerpt}}
-{{excerpt|[[Alan Dershowitz]] said, in ''The World According to Carter'':}}
+This page uses the [[Wiki Issue Exploration Structure]].
-Carter blames Israel, and exonerates Arafat, for the Palestinian refusal to accept statehood on 95% of the West Bank and all of Gaza pursuant to the Clinton-Barak offers of Camp David and Taba in 2000-2001. He accepts the Palestinian revisionist history, rejects the eye-witness accounts of President Clinton and Dennis Ross and ignores Saudi Prince Bandar’s accusation that Arafat’s rejection of the proposal was “a crime” and that Arafat’s account “was not truthful” &ndash; except, apparently, to Carter. The fact that Carter chooses to believe [[Yassir Arafat]] over [[Bill Clinton]] speaks volumes.
-{{-excerpt|}}
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+=== Statement of background with agreed facts ===
-This is a dense topic. Seemingly there are two sides on these events:
+<b>July 11 2000</b> Camp David Summit convened
-# Bill Clinton, Ehud Barak, Dennis Ross, Benny Morris, Alan Dershowitz who believe that Arafat was offered a reasonable proposal & should have accepted.
-# Jimmy Carter, Arafat, Clayton E. Swisher, Robert Malley, Hussein Agha, Noam Chomsky who believe it was not a reasonable offer and rightly rejected by Arafat.
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+<b>July 25 2000</b> Camp David Summit conclusion
-=== Timeline ===
+Trilateral Statement issued.
-<b>July 11 2000</b> Camp David Summit convened
+<b>December 18 2000 </b> Bolling Airforce Base
+Clinton makes a yes/no offer to both, details:
+<i>?What were the exact details of the offer?</i>
+<b>Jan 2 2001</b> Arafat rejects Dec. 18th offer
+<b>January 7 Clinton Speech at the Israel Policy Dinner</b>
-<b>July 25 2000</b> Camp David Summit conclusion
+<i>"Both Prime Minister Barak and Chairman Arafat have now accepted these parameters as the basis for further efforts. Both have expressed some reservations."</i>
-Trilateral Statement issued.
+Find links to Israeli & Palestinian reservations on the Clinton/Ross offer of Dec 18th.
 <b>January 21 2001</b> Taba Summit convened
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 <b>January 27 2001</b> Taba Summit conclusion
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+<b>Saudi Prince Bandar Comments</b>
+"Bandar believed that Arafat's failure to accept the deal in January of 2001 was a tragic mistake-a crime, really."
+<i>Is Elza Walsh's New Yorker Article the correct source?</i>
+=== Contentious Points ===
+. Clinton was distracted by the Lewisinky Scandal
+*Show evidence how this effected negotiations
+=== Conclusions ===
+. {{excerpt|Jimmy Carter said, in ''[[Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid]]'':}}
+The best offer to the Palestinians [from Camp David] - by Clinton, not Barak - had been to withdraw 20 percent of the settlers, leaving more than 180,000 in 209 settlements, covering about 10 percent of the occupied land, including land to be "leased" and portions of the Jordan River valley and East Jerusalem. The percentage figure is misleading, since it usually includes only the actual footprints of the settlements ... the West Bank into at least two noncontiguous areas and multiple fragments ... [no] Palestinian leader could accept such terms and survive...
+{{-excerpt}}
+Jimmy Carter, Arafat, Clayton E. Swisher, Robert Malley, Hussein Agha, Noam Chomsky who believe it was not a reasonable offer [at Camp David] and rightly rejected by Arafat.
+. {{excerpt|[[Alan Dershowitz]] said, in ''The World According to Carter'':}}
+Carter blames Israel, and exonerates Arafat, for the Palestinian refusal to accept statehood on 95% of the West Bank and all of Gaza pursuant to the Clinton-Barak offers of Camp David and Taba in 2000-2001. He accepts the Palestinian revisionist history, rejects the eye-witness accounts of President Clinton and Dennis Ross and ignores Saudi Prince Bandar’s accusation that Arafat’s rejection of the proposal was “a crime” and that Arafat’s account “was not truthful” &ndash; except, apparently, to Carter. The fact that Carter chooses to believe [[Yassir Arafat]] over [[Bill Clinton]] speaks volumes.
+{{-excerpt|}}
+Bill Clinton, Ehud Barak, Dennis Ross, Benny Morris, Alan Dershowitz who believe that Arafat was offered a reasonable proposal & should have accepted.
 === References ===
 Wikipedia:
 [[wikipedia:Camp David 2000 Summit|Camp David 2000 Summit]]
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 Two books concerning these events directly:
+* ''The Missing Peace: The Inside Story of the Fight for Middle East Peace'' by Dennis Ross
 * ''The Truth About Camp David: The Untold Story About the Collapse of the Middle East Peace Process'' by Clayton E. Swisher
-* ''The Missing Peace: The Inside Story of the Fight for Middle East Peace'' by Dennis Ross
 Debate in the New York Review of Books over what occured:
+* Hussein Agha, Robert Malley: [http://www.nybooks.com/articles/14380 Camp David: The Tragedy of Errors]
 * Benny Morris: [http://www.nybooks.com/articles/15501 Camp David and After: An Exchange (1. An Interview with Ehud Barak)]
 * Hussein Agha, Robert Malley: [http://www.nybooks.com/articles/15502 Camp David and After: An Exchange (2. A Reply to Ehud Barak)]
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 * http://www.kcrw.com/news/programs/tp/tp010801middle_east_conflict
 * [Dennis Ross on Fox News Sunday http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,50830,00.html]
-* Hussein Agha, Robert Malley: [http://www.nybooks.com/articles/14380 Camp David: The Tragedy of Errors]
 Other sites:
 * David Shyovitz: [http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Peace/cd2000art.html Camp David 2000]
+* Robert Wright: [http://www.slate.com/?id=2064500 Was Arafat the problem?]
+* [[Bill Clinton|William Clinton]]: [http://www.clintonfoundation.org/legacy/010701-speech-by-president-at-israel-policy-dinner.htm Speech at Israel Policy Dinner]
+* Elsa Walsh: [http://www.saudi-us-relations.org/international-relations/prince-bandar.html The Prince The New Yorker March 24, 2003]
 MAPS:
-* Projections of the Israeli offer at Camp David, the Israeli offer to Palestinians in December 2000,
+* Projections of the Israeli offer at Camp David, the Israeli offer to Palestinians in December 2000, the Bridging Proposal of US President Clinton and the Israeli Offer of January 2001: http://www.mideastweb.org/lastmaps.htm
-the Bridging Proposal of US President Clinton and the Israeli Offer of January 2001: http://www.mideastweb.org/lastmaps.htm
 * Regarding the Dennis Ross book there is criticism by Michael C. Desch at http://www.amconmag.com/2004_11_08/review.html