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* The hijackers named may have been ultimately responsible for flying the planes into the twin towers and the Pentagon, yes. But why weren't those names on the passenger lists? If they were flying under assumed names, which assumed names on the list were they flying under? Why did some of them later turn up alive, and why haven't the official lists been revised?
 
* The hijackers named may have been ultimately responsible for flying the planes into the twin towers and the Pentagon, yes. But why weren't those names on the passenger lists? If they were flying under assumed names, which assumed names on the list were they flying under? Why did some of them later turn up alive, and why haven't the official lists been revised?
 
* Why didn't the [[9/11 Commission Report]] explain anything about how the towers actually collapsed?
 
* Why didn't the [[9/11 Commission Report]] explain anything about how the towers actually collapsed?
* Why didn't it even ''mention'' [[WTC7]]?
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* <s>Why didn't it even ''mention'' [[WTC7]]?</s> (It does now, though as I understand it it basically says "we don't have a good theory" and completely ignores the most obvious hypothesis, i.e. controlled demolition. Why did they ignore CD as a possibility, even if only to explain why it isn't likely, since that is the one explanation likely to be seized on by casual observers?)
 
* Why were all the videos of the Pentagon crash confiscated, and why haven't any of them been released except for 5 highly questionable video frames?
 
* Why were all the videos of the Pentagon crash confiscated, and why haven't any of them been released except for 5 highly questionable video frames?
 
* Why was all the debris hauled off before forensics experts could look at it?
 
* Why was all the debris hauled off before forensics experts could look at it?

Revision as of 00:04, 28 February 2010

Position Quiz Answers

My answers to the position quiz (as of 2009-12-05):

A1. Is the official story essentially true and complete? NO
A2. Was the official investigation conducted in a reasonable way? NO
A3. Is any further (re-)investigation a waste of time? NO
A4. Have all the questions surrounding the events of 9/11 been answered satisfactorily? NO
A5. In the days prior to 9/11, did the Bush administration respond appropriately to any warnings they might have received? NO
A6. On the day of 9/11, were the Bush administration's actions reasonable, under the circumstances? NO
A7. On the day of 9/11, did the military act appropriately? NO
A7a. If not, was this an understandable lapse under the circumstances? NO
A8. Is it reasonable to think that men carrying no weapon other than box cutters could overcome trained professional pilots and seize control of four commercial jets? NO
B1. Is there any reason to distrust the accuracy and even-handedness of mainstream news reporting, as it has existed for the past decade or so? YES
B2. If available evidence points strongly towards a particular set of circumstances, is it reasonable to be skeptical of any conclusion which states that those circumstances did not occur? YES
B2a. Is it necessary to explain how those circumstances could have arisen before questioning the idea that they didn't? NO
B2b. If so, does that explanation need to be just as rigorous as the evidence pointing towards the circumstances? NO
B3. Is there any reason to distrust statements made by the Bush administration? YES
B4. Is there any reason to distrust conclusions reached by federal commissions? YES
C1. Is it likely that WTC1 was hit by American Airlines flight 11? YES
C2. Is it likely that WTC2 was hit by United Airlines flight 175? YES
C3. Is it likely that the Pentagon was hit by American Airlines flight 77? YES
C4. Is it likely that the source of the wreckage seen in Pennsylvania was United Airlines flight 175? YES
C5. Is it likely that all of these were essentially normal civilian aircraft without any equipment having been installed specifically to aid their use as weapons of terror? YES

Further Comments

The official story of 9/11 is a mixed bag at best. It is also a cover-up of monstrous proportions, regardless of who the bad guys actually were: evidence was destroyed, evidence was ignored, explanations were non-explanations, and some things (e.g. WTC7) were just ignored altogether.

If you hide or destroy evidence making it difficult or impossible to solve a crime, you are culpable for some portion of the crime committed. On 9/11, nearly 3000 lives and billions of dollars were lost; the parties responsible for the cover-up are therefore complicit in those crimes, accessories after the fact at best. There may be some mitigating factors, but we need to know what those factors are before the mitigation can happen. Until then, if you concealed or destroyed evidence related to 9/11, that makes you complicit.

When I started investigating 9/11 back in 2005 or so, I believed the official story. The more I looked, however, the more I kept finding (among the chaff) consistent, sane, carefully-considered objections which provided evidence and held up under scrutiny -- and on the other side, a lot of glib counter-arguments which either addressed only the weakest and furthest-out theories or else gave quick non-explanations and considered their work done. There was definitely a core of "9/11 objectionists" who tended to make sense, and no consistent or believable rebuttals from the "9/11 party-liners".

Here are just a few of the more glaring questions left unanswered by anyone in authority:

  • The hijackers named may have been ultimately responsible for flying the planes into the twin towers and the Pentagon, yes. But why weren't those names on the passenger lists? If they were flying under assumed names, which assumed names on the list were they flying under? Why did some of them later turn up alive, and why haven't the official lists been revised?
  • Why didn't the 9/11 Commission Report explain anything about how the towers actually collapsed?
  • Why didn't it even mention WTC7? (It does now, though as I understand it it basically says "we don't have a good theory" and completely ignores the most obvious hypothesis, i.e. controlled demolition. Why did they ignore CD as a possibility, even if only to explain why it isn't likely, since that is the one explanation likely to be seized on by casual observers?)
  • Why were all the videos of the Pentagon crash confiscated, and why haven't any of them been released except for 5 highly questionable video frames?
  • Why was all the debris hauled off before forensics experts could look at it?
  • Why is anyone still claiming that the twin towers collapsed due to extreme heat when this suggestion has been repeatedly shot full of holes?
    • How do they explain the diagonal cuts in the girders, the molten steel found in the wreckage, the molten steel seen pouring from WTC2, the sheer symmetricality and lateral forcefulness of the so-called "collapses"?
  • Why were we utterly unable to intercept any of 4 planes, when such interceptions had been routine for at least a decade?
    • Did it have something to do with the multiple military exercises coincidentally scheduled for that day, one of which reportedly involved more or less the exact scenario which was unfolding in real life?
    • Why had intercept regulations recently been changed so that top-level authorization was required?
    • Why had airline pilots recently been deprived of the freedom to carry a sidearm?
    • How the hell did the hijackers manage to overcome the crews (many of them vets with combat experience) of four airplanes using only box-cutters??

Yes, there are simple explanations for all of these things which agree completely with the official reports. Take your dried frog pills and go back to sleep.