Difference between revisions of "Small government/debate"

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This mapping is incomplete; I'm starting with the supporting arguments first.
 
This mapping is incomplete; I'm starting with the supporting arguments first.
: {{arg/main|Reducing the size of government gives people more freedom.}}
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: {{arg/main|Government should be reduced or eliminated.}}
:: {{arg/pro|Government creates burdensome regulations that interfere with people's personal lives.}}
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:: {{arg/pro|Reducing the size of government gives people more freedom.}}
:: {{arg/pro|Government cannot provide freedom; it can only enslave.}}
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::: {{arg/pro|Government creates burdensome regulations that interfere with people's personal lives.}}
: {{arg/main|A government big enough to give you everything you need, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have. (literal interpretation)}}
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::: {{arg/pro|Government cannot provide freedom; it can only enslave.}}
:: {{arg/pro|If government has sufficient resources to provide a living for a significant portion of the population, it also has the resources to deprive people of their rightful property.}}
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::: {{arg/con|"Reducing the size of government" is an ambiguous phrase that can be interpreted in different ways depending on context, enabling [[position dancing]].}}
: {{arg/main|A government big enough to give you everything you need, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have. (implications)}}
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:: {{arg/pro|A government big enough to give you everything you need, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have. (literal interpretation)}}
:: {{arg/pro|The hidden cost of a government-provided [[social safety-net]] is too high.}}
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::: {{arg/pro|If government has sufficient resources to provide a living for a significant portion of the population, it also has the resources to deprive people of their rightful property.}}
::: {{arg/pro|If you accept the need for government to have the power to give, you accept the need for government to take without consent.}}
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:::: {{arg/con|This is why it is important to have a ''well-run'' government, whatever the size might be.}}
:::: {{arg/pro|Nobody likes having their property taken without their consent.}}
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::::: {{arg/con|Simply reducing funding to an already-despotic government will not make it less despotic, since it already has the ability to take by force that which it needs.}}
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::::: {{arg/con|In the event of diminished funding, established interests will fight to maintain those government activities which benefit them specifically at the expense of others; services which benefit the general public will be cut first, followed closely by those which are merely harmless.}}
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:::: {{arg/con|The mere fact that [[any tool can be misused|a tool can be misused]] does not negate the need for the tool.}}
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:: {{arg/pro|A government big enough to give you everything you need, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have. (implications)}}
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::: {{arg/pro|The hidden cost of a government-provided [[social safety-net]] is too high.}}
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:::: {{arg/pro|If you accept the need for government to have the power to give, you accept the need for government to take without consent.}}
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::::: {{arg/con|Accepting the need for government revenue does not imply endorsement of taking that revenue by force; there are other ways to collect revenue.}}
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::: {{arg/pro|People who want a [[social safety-net]] are supporting theft.}}
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:::: {{arg/pro|A government-provided social safety-net means that the government takes from some people and gives it to others.}}
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::::: {{arg/pro|Anyone who wants this supports stealing from others.}}
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:::::: {{arg/con|This presumes that [[taxation is theft]], which is not true.}}
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::: {{arg/pro|People who want a [[social safety-net]] are being selfish.}}
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:::: {{arg/pro|People who support a social safety-net just want a free ride at the expense of others.}}
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:::: {{arg/con|Many people who do not themselves need a social safety-net nonetheless support the existence of one.}}
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:: {{arg/pro|Government is unethical because it relies on taxation, which is theft.}}
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::: {{arg/pro|All government relies on taxation.}}
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:::: {{arg/con|This is not true.}}
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::: {{arg/pro|[[Taxation is theft]]}}
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:::: {{arg/pro|Taxation is taking without consent.}}
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::::: {{arg/con|Most people voluntarily pay their taxes.}}
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:::::: {{arg/pro|They only do so under threat of imprisonment.}}
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::::::: {{arg/con|There are documented instances of people (a) being happy to pay their taxes, (b) suggesting that taxes for their income bracket should be higher.}}
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::::::: {{arg/con|There are very few instances of people objecting to automatic tax deductions from their paychecks.}}
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::::::: {{arg/con|There are many people for whom this would be an inconsistent position.}}
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:::::::: {{arg/con|Anyone who objects to paying taxes would not argue in favor of providing government benefits (such as a social safety-net), and there are certainly plenty of people arguing in favor of providing those benefits.}}
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:::::: {{arg/pro|Although most people may voluntarily pay taxes, it is still taking without consent from those who do not.}}
 
:::: {{arg/pro|Taking without consent is theft.}}
 
:::: {{arg/pro|Taking without consent is theft.}}
:: {{arg/pro|People who want a [[social safety-net]] are supporting theft.}}
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::: {{arg/con|If the problem with government is how revenues are collected, the solution is tax-collection reform, not reduction in revenues.}}
::: {{arg/pro|A government-provided social safety-net means that the government takes from some people and gives it to others.}}
 
:::: {{arg/pro|Anyone who wants this supports stealing from others.}}
 
:: {{arg/pro|People who want a [[social safety-net]] are being selfish.}}
 
::: {{arg/pro|People who support a social safety-net just want a free ride at the expense of others.}}
 

Latest revision as of 02:27, 6 December 2012

This mapping is incomplete; I'm starting with the supporting arguments first.

right-arrow debaticon Government should be reduced or eliminated.
up-arrow debaticon Reducing the size of government gives people more freedom.
up-arrow debaticon Government creates burdensome regulations that interfere with people's personal lives.
up-arrow debaticon Government cannot provide freedom; it can only enslave.
down-arrow debaticon "Reducing the size of government" is an ambiguous phrase that can be interpreted in different ways depending on context, enabling position dancing.
up-arrow debaticon A government big enough to give you everything you need, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have. (literal interpretation)
up-arrow debaticon If government has sufficient resources to provide a living for a significant portion of the population, it also has the resources to deprive people of their rightful property.
down-arrow debaticon This is why it is important to have a well-run government, whatever the size might be.
down-arrow debaticon Simply reducing funding to an already-despotic government will not make it less despotic, since it already has the ability to take by force that which it needs.
down-arrow debaticon In the event of diminished funding, established interests will fight to maintain those government activities which benefit them specifically at the expense of others; services which benefit the general public will be cut first, followed closely by those which are merely harmless.
down-arrow debaticon The mere fact that a tool can be misused does not negate the need for the tool.
up-arrow debaticon A government big enough to give you everything you need, is a government big enough to take away everything that you have. (implications)
up-arrow debaticon The hidden cost of a government-provided social safety-net is too high.
up-arrow debaticon If you accept the need for government to have the power to give, you accept the need for government to take without consent.
down-arrow debaticon Accepting the need for government revenue does not imply endorsement of taking that revenue by force; there are other ways to collect revenue.
up-arrow debaticon People who want a social safety-net are supporting theft.
up-arrow debaticon A government-provided social safety-net means that the government takes from some people and gives it to others.
up-arrow debaticon Anyone who wants this supports stealing from others.
down-arrow debaticon This presumes that taxation is theft, which is not true.
up-arrow debaticon People who want a social safety-net are being selfish.
up-arrow debaticon People who support a social safety-net just want a free ride at the expense of others.
down-arrow debaticon Many people who do not themselves need a social safety-net nonetheless support the existence of one.
up-arrow debaticon Government is unethical because it relies on taxation, which is theft.
up-arrow debaticon All government relies on taxation.
down-arrow debaticon This is not true.
up-arrow debaticon Taxation is theft
up-arrow debaticon Taxation is taking without consent.
down-arrow debaticon Most people voluntarily pay their taxes.
up-arrow debaticon They only do so under threat of imprisonment.
down-arrow debaticon There are documented instances of people (a) being happy to pay their taxes, (b) suggesting that taxes for their income bracket should be higher.
down-arrow debaticon There are very few instances of people objecting to automatic tax deductions from their paychecks.
down-arrow debaticon There are many people for whom this would be an inconsistent position.
down-arrow debaticon Anyone who objects to paying taxes would not argue in favor of providing government benefits (such as a social safety-net), and there are certainly plenty of people arguing in favor of providing those benefits.
up-arrow debaticon Although most people may voluntarily pay taxes, it is still taking without consent from those who do not.
up-arrow debaticon Taking without consent is theft.
down-arrow debaticon If the problem with government is how revenues are collected, the solution is tax-collection reform, not reduction in revenues.