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[[9/11]]: [[9/11 videos|videos]]
 
 
==Overview==
 
==Overview==
By the time the [[UA175|second plane]] hit, a large number of cameras were already pointed at the twin towers, making the second impact and subsequent collapses almost certainly the most thoroughly-filmed disaster of all time, if not the most thoroughly-filmed event. This has provided something of a counterbalance to the extremely poor conduct of the official [[9/11 investigation|post-collapse investigations]], but has also opened many questions which may never be answered satisfactorily.
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By the time the [[UA175|second plane]] hit, a large number of cameras were already pointed at the twin towers, making the second impact and subsequent collapses almost certainly the most thoroughly-filmed disaster of all time, if not the most thoroughly-filmed event. ([http://wtc.nist.gov/NCSTAR1/PDF/NCSTAR%201-5.pdf NIST] concurs: "The destruction of the World Trade Center (WTC) on September 11, 2001, may have been the most heavily photographed and video recorded disaster in history.", and goes into considerable detail about the circumstances.) This has provided something of a counterbalance to the highly questionable conduct of the official [[9-11/investigation|post-collapse investigations]], but has also exposed many [[9-11/anomalies|anomalies]] which may never be explained satisfactorily.
  
 
The unusualness of this is highlighted by the fact that the cost of video-recording technology had been decreasing substantially in the years leading up to the event; video recording of major disasters (with substantial survivorship, anyway) is likely to be more and more thorough as time goes by due to the continued price drops and the [[citizen empowerment|growing ubiquity of new devices]] such as video cell phones and video-capable PDAs.
 
The unusualness of this is highlighted by the fact that the cost of video-recording technology had been decreasing substantially in the years leading up to the event; video recording of major disasters (with substantial survivorship, anyway) is likely to be more and more thorough as time goes by due to the continued price drops and the [[citizen empowerment|growing ubiquity of new devices]] such as video cell phones and video-capable PDAs.
 
===Related Pages===
 
===Related Pages===
Some major videos:
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major documentary films:
* ''[[Loose Change]]''
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* ''[[Loose Change]]'' (widely derided as nonsense)
 
* ''[[The Path to 9/11]]''
 
* ''[[The Path to 9/11]]''
 
==Videos==
 
==Videos==
 
===Collections===
 
===Collections===
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* A collection of real-time recordings from news channels the morning of 9/11:
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** [http://belowgroundsurface.org/belowgroundsurface/Living911Part1.html part 1], ~ 8:30-9:12 a.m. (the first impact is at 8:45, second at 9:02)
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** [http://belowgroundsurface.org/belowgroundsurface/Living911Part2.html part 2], ~ 9:12-9:54
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** [http://belowgroundsurface.org/belowgroundsurface/Living911Part3.html part 3], ~ 9:55-10:35
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** many additional sets of videos covering straight through until about 9pm
 
* [http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/videos/ 9-11 WTC Videos] at 9-11 Research: collapses, witnesses; no impact videos
 
* [http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evidence/videos/ 9-11 WTC Videos] at 9-11 Research: collapses, witnesses; no impact videos
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===WTC1 Impact===
 
===WTC1 Impact===
 
* '''the NYFD documentary video''': best view; was the only known video for quite some time after the event:
 
* '''the NYFD documentary video''': best view; was the only known video for quite some time after the event:
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** [[youtube:5fH7c8H6SNw|"rare amateur 9/11 videos"]]: includes yet a third angle on the 1st plane, briefly and from a distance
 
** [[youtube:5fH7c8H6SNw|"rare amateur 9/11 videos"]]: includes yet a third angle on the 1st plane, briefly and from a distance
 
===WTC2 Impact===
 
===WTC2 Impact===
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* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7BN_HT1jLk 2nd plane, side view, impact visible]
 
* [[youtube:J0Qu6eyyr4c|2nd plane, side view, impact not visible]]
 
* [[youtube:J0Qu6eyyr4c|2nd plane, side view, impact not visible]]
 
* [[youtube:2iGYVh7HZo8|2nd plane, side view, impact not visible]]
 
* [[youtube:2iGYVh7HZo8|2nd plane, side view, impact not visible]]
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* [[youtube:zyX9bp7Nk10|2nd plane, distant right-side view (short)]]
 
* [[youtube:zyX9bp7Nk10|2nd plane, distant right-side view (short)]]
 
** looks same: [[youtube:odAcBR_QUM4 "banned" footage]]
 
** looks same: [[youtube:odAcBR_QUM4 "banned" footage]]
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* [[youtube:Wta3Kamgtxc|KTLA Amateur video from Boat E-NE of Towers]]
 
* <s>[[youtube:BjbhLuf-PSg|"raw footage" not exactly]]</s> (video "removed by user" as of 2008-04-27): same WTC2 impact scene as recorded from multiple TV feeds, followed by some different angles
 
* <s>[[youtube:BjbhLuf-PSg|"raw footage" not exactly]]</s> (video "removed by user" as of 2008-04-27): same WTC2 impact scene as recorded from multiple TV feeds, followed by some different angles
 
* [[youtube:63BNIz8IIng|NBC4 Live Video vs. CNN "Anonymous Contributor" Video]]: perplexingly, the first video (NBC4) shows no plane, despite being shot from higher and more or less the same view as the CNN video, which clearly does show it. The CNN video is shot from significantly to the right, however (check the location of the wide black building vs. the twin towers), so possibly the plane was hidden behind the towers and smoke in the NBC video. Is this the source of the "no-plane theories"?
 
* [[youtube:63BNIz8IIng|NBC4 Live Video vs. CNN "Anonymous Contributor" Video]]: perplexingly, the first video (NBC4) shows no plane, despite being shot from higher and more or less the same view as the CNN video, which clearly does show it. The CNN video is shot from significantly to the right, however (check the location of the wide black building vs. the twin towers), so possibly the plane was hidden behind the towers and smoke in the NBC video. Is this the source of the "no-plane theories"?
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** shows close-up of molten metal pouring out near corner seconds before collapse
 
** shows close-up of molten metal pouring out near corner seconds before collapse
 
* [[youtube:9_isa-nfb6Y|"molten metal" identified as South Tower]] (brief; no collapse)
 
* [[youtube:9_isa-nfb6Y|"molten metal" identified as South Tower]] (brief; no collapse)
* [[youtube:CV0BVZG1j7E|"9/11 WTC south tower collapse amateur video"]]: Dr. Mark Heath. Good shots of debris cloud as it engulfs the narrator. Rather blurry overall. Lots of footage of trampling through the dust. Weird insect-like noises; Dr. Heath comments on them, doesn't know what they are. Sirens clogged with dust, maybe?
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* [[youtube:CV0BVZG1j7E|"9/11 WTC south tower collapse amateur video"]]: Dr. Mark Heath. Good shots of debris cloud as it engulfs the narrator. Rather blurry overall. Lots of footage of trampling through the dust. Weird insect-like noises; Dr. Heath comments on them, doesn't know what they are. <s>Sirens clogged with dust, maybe?</s>
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** {{anonuser|173.130.249.59| says}}: Actually, the sounds are from a PASS ([[Personal Alert Safety System]]) device that firefighters wear on their airpacks. The device is designed to emit a loud, pulsating noise if a firefighter is immobile (ie. trapped).
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===WTC1 Collapse===
 
===WTC1 Collapse===
 
===WTC7===
 
===WTC7===
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===General===
 
===General===
 
Videos covering more than one category
 
Videos covering more than one category
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* [http://www.garagetv.be/video-galerij/bartvanbelle/unseen_footage_9_11.aspx?utm_source=GTVPlayer-&utm_medium=LopendFilmpjeExtern unseen footage 9/11]: WTC1 post-impact, with closeups of jumpers; audio of the WTC2 impact, but you can't see it; video of the WTC2 collapse-cloud
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===Documentaries===
 
===Documentaries===
 
* [[youtube:CNskClIyGfY|9/11 Conspiracy Crash Course]]: (this is part 1; links to all parts are in comments) Covers many of the most solid objections.
 
* [[youtube:CNskClIyGfY|9/11 Conspiracy Crash Course]]: (this is part 1; links to all parts are in comments) Covers many of the most solid objections.
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** View across the channel of smoke emerging from the base of WTC1, coincident with faint explosive sounds, just before it starts to collapse. Ends near the beginning of a segment about the Pentagon. (where is next part?)
 
** View across the channel of smoke emerging from the base of WTC1, coincident with faint explosive sounds, just before it starts to collapse. Ends near the beginning of a segment about the Pentagon. (where is next part?)
 
===Eyewitness Accounts===
 
===Eyewitness Accounts===
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* [[2009-08-11 New September 11th First Responders Testimony]]
 
* '''2007-08-07''' [http://jessegoplen.com/2007/08/08/video-911-firefighter-john-schroeder-on-explosions-in-wtc/ 9/11 Firefighter John Schroeder on Explosions in WTC]: Engine Company 10 firefighter John Schroeder is interviewed by Manny Badillo, family member of a 9/11 victim, and at least one unidentified person. Includes quotes and some analysis.
 
* '''2007-08-07''' [http://jessegoplen.com/2007/08/08/video-911-firefighter-john-schroeder-on-explosions-in-wtc/ 9/11 Firefighter John Schroeder on Explosions in WTC]: Engine Company 10 firefighter John Schroeder is interviewed by Manny Badillo, family member of a 9/11 victim, and at least one unidentified person. Includes quotes and some analysis.
  

Latest revision as of 18:53, 15 September 2018

Overview

By the time the second plane hit, a large number of cameras were already pointed at the twin towers, making the second impact and subsequent collapses almost certainly the most thoroughly-filmed disaster of all time, if not the most thoroughly-filmed event. (NIST concurs: "The destruction of the World Trade Center (WTC) on September 11, 2001, may have been the most heavily photographed and video recorded disaster in history.", and goes into considerable detail about the circumstances.) This has provided something of a counterbalance to the highly questionable conduct of the official post-collapse investigations, but has also exposed many anomalies which may never be explained satisfactorily.

The unusualness of this is highlighted by the fact that the cost of video-recording technology had been decreasing substantially in the years leading up to the event; video recording of major disasters (with substantial survivorship, anyway) is likely to be more and more thorough as time goes by due to the continued price drops and the growing ubiquity of new devices such as video cell phones and video-capable PDAs.

Related Pages

major documentary films:

Videos

Collections

  • A collection of real-time recordings from news channels the morning of 9/11:
    • part 1, ~ 8:30-9:12 a.m. (the first impact is at 8:45, second at 9:02)
    • part 2, ~ 9:12-9:54
    • part 3, ~ 9:55-10:35
    • many additional sets of videos covering straight through until about 9pm
  • 9-11 WTC Videos at 9-11 Research: collapses, witnesses; no impact videos

WTC1 Impact

WTC2 Impact

allegations of fakery

WTC2 Collapse

  • WTC2 collapsing: the "oh my god" video
    • shows close-up of molten metal pouring out near corner seconds before collapse
  • "molten metal" identified as South Tower (brief; no collapse)
  • "9/11 WTC south tower collapse amateur video": Dr. Mark Heath. Good shots of debris cloud as it engulfs the narrator. Rather blurry overall. Lots of footage of trampling through the dust. Weird insect-like noises; Dr. Heath comments on them, doesn't know what they are. Sirens clogged with dust, maybe?
    • anonymous user 173.130.249.59 says: Actually, the sounds are from a PASS (Personal Alert Safety System) device that firefighters wear on their airpacks. The device is designed to emit a loud, pulsating noise if a firefighter is immobile (ie. trapped).

WTC1 Collapse

WTC7

  • "rare WTC7": building on fire is possibly WTC7; live commentary includes concern about stability of WTC7

Pentagon

General

Videos covering more than one category

  • unseen footage 9/11: WTC1 post-impact, with closeups of jumpers; audio of the WTC2 impact, but you can't see it; video of the WTC2 collapse-cloud

Documentaries

  • 9/11 Conspiracy Crash Course: (this is part 1; links to all parts are in comments) Covers many of the most solid objections.
  • 9/11 Coincidences:
  • The True Lies of 9/11 (Part I) (where are other parts?): somewhat overdramatic documentary arguing that Flight 175 was not what brought the building down. Presents conflicting descriptions of the plane. Recording of USA Today correspondent Jack Kelley saying that the FBI believed there was most likely a car or truck underneath the building packed with explosives which went off at the same time as the plane impact "the working theory at this point; unconfirmed"; Pat Dawson quotes (probably Albert Turi) about a secondary device. Same set of eyewitness reports of explosions as in another video, maybe some new ones.
    • View across the channel of smoke emerging from the base of WTC1, coincident with faint explosive sounds, just before it starts to collapse. Ends near the beginning of a segment about the Pentagon. (where is next part?)

Eyewitness Accounts

Anti-anomaly

see also 9/11 anomaly denial

  • a teen or 20-something guy objects to the objections:
    • he claims no professional structural engineers agree with the "controlled demolition" theory; this is false (this may be an honest mistake on the part of the video author)
    • he cites the Tacoma Narrows Bridge collapse as being a similar example of a failure mode not previously encountered, implying that the WTC collapses could be another such phenomenon. What he overlooks, of course, is that in the case of Tacoma Narrows, engineers intensely studied what had happened until they understood (a) why it had happened despite the best design practices of the day, and (b) how to prevent it again. If the WTC collapses were, in fact, due entirely to structural damage and heat from the airplane impact/fire, this would represent a gap in our understanding of structural steel engineering -- one which needs to be filled. Either the collapses came as a huge surprise and structural engineers were caught with their pants down, or the collapses were not due solely to the planes. There is no option to say "the planes hit the buildings and they collapsed, where's the surprise?".

Unfiled

Videos to be checked for content, to see what category they belong in

Much better audio about Albert Turi saying there was a "secondary device"; Pat Dawson reporting:

(Google for "Albert Turrey" finds more)

FAA Manager Mangled, Cut, Destroyed 9/11 Tapes:

  • AV Web: full article requires log-in

Less-useful footage, listed just to prevent re-checking: