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* [[youtube:2iGYVh7HZo8|2nd plane, side view, impact not visible]]
 
* [[youtube:2iGYVh7HZo8|2nd plane, side view, impact not visible]]
 
* [[youtube:DmRWNucPmCM|2nd plane, side view, impact not visible]]
 
* [[youtube:DmRWNucPmCM|2nd plane, side view, impact not visible]]
* [[youtube:ajr6qswlMRo|2nd plane]]
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* [[youtube:ajr6qswlMRo|2nd plane]]: north tower blocking south tower
* [[youtube:U0JH1nI3oQY|2nd plane]]
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* [[youtube:TLvxFB_cGrM|2nd plane]]: ABC7, north tower blocking south tower
* [[youtube:TLvxFB_cGrM|2nd plane]]
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* [[youtube:U0JH1nI3oQY|2nd plane]]: CNN, impact side, from ground; also CNN side-view (impact visible) from ground
* [[youtube:WbqKYJYqEkw|2nd plane]]
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* [[youtube:WbqKYJYqEkw|2nd plane]]: distant zoom shot, over Brooklyn Bridge; camera is zoomed out at moment of impact; includes several minutes of footage after the impact, showing that the amount of smoke is clearly decreasing
* [[youtube:H1WJWUdDiSY|2nd plane]] (8 seconds)
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* <s>[[youtube:H1WJWUdDiSY|2nd plane]]</s> (removed for terms-of-use violation as of 2008-04-27) (8 seconds)
* [[youtube:Nvy4SRFU0pg|2nd plane]] (8 seconds)
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* [[youtube:Nvy4SRFU0pg|2nd plane]]: (no logo) close view of impact, from ground, to left of tower (8 seconds)
 
* [[youtube:z1dgU3dwztU|explosions in WTC1 as plane hits WTC2]]
 
* [[youtube:z1dgU3dwztU|explosions in WTC1 as plane hits WTC2]]
 
* [[youtube:5airP3smSnw|2nd plane - CNN]]
 
* [[youtube:5airP3smSnw|2nd plane - CNN]]
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* [[youtube:zyX9bp7Nk10|2nd plane, distant right-side view (short)]]
 
* [[youtube:zyX9bp7Nk10|2nd plane, distant right-side view (short)]]
 
** looks same: [[youtube:odAcBR_QUM4 "banned" footage]]
 
** looks same: [[youtube:odAcBR_QUM4 "banned" footage]]
* [[youtube:BjbhLuf-PSg|"raw footage" not exactly]]: same WTC2 impact scene as recorded from multiple TV feeds, followed by some different angles
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* <s>[[youtube:BjbhLuf-PSg|"raw footage" not exactly]]</s> (video "removed by user" as of 2008-04-27): same WTC2 impact scene as recorded from multiple TV feeds, followed by some different angles
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* [[youtube:63BNIz8IIng|NBC4 Live Video vs. CNN "Anonymous Contributor" Video]]: perplexingly, the first video (NBC4) shows no plane, despite being shot from higher and more or less the same view as the CNN video, which clearly does show it. The CNN video is shot from significantly to the right, however (check the location of the wide black building vs. the twin towers), so possibly the plane was hidden behind the towers and smoke in the NBC video. Is this the source of the "no-plane theories"?
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** [[youtube:fDRS9ht_OsY|Two Live Shots vs Two Fake 911 Hoax Videos]]: 4 frames, synched within about 1 second; one of the no-plane frames is the NBC4 video above, and the other no-plane frame is from pretty much the exact same angle. Any different angles showing no plane?
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** [[youtube:t5PHk8tgOVs|Zooming in on the 911 Hoax: Four Shots Contrasted Analyzed]]: shows where the plane is in the NBC4 and WB11 videos; adds 2 other videos which it claims are faked, but this conclusion seems based on very tenuous evidence which isn't examined.
 
====allegations of fakery====
 
====allegations of fakery====
* [[youtube:uYpwI_6UVE0|video alleging fakery in CNN shot of WTC2 collision]], with supporting evidence worth looking at
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* <s>[[youtube:uYpwI_6UVE0|video alleging fakery in CNN shot of WTC2 collision]]</s> (removed for terms-of-use violation as of 2008-04-27), with supporting evidence worth looking at
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===WTC2 Collapse===
 
===WTC2 Collapse===
 
* [[youtube:8Mz0_x7313I|WTC2 collapsing]]: the "oh my god" video
 
* [[youtube:8Mz0_x7313I|WTC2 collapsing]]: the "oh my god" video

Revision as of 21:01, 27 April 2008

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9/11: videos

Overview

By the time the second plane hit, a large number of cameras were already pointed at the twin towers, making the second impact and subsequent collapses almost certainly the most thoroughly-filmed disaster of all time, if not the most thoroughly-filmed event. This has provided something of a counterbalance to the extremely poor conduct of the official post-collapse investigations, but has also opened many questions which may never be answered satisfactorily.

The unusualness of this is highlighted by the fact that the cost of video-recording technology had been decreasing substantially in the years leading up to the event; video recording of major disasters (with substantial survivorship, anyway) is likely to be more and more thorough as time goes by due to the continued price drops and the growing ubiquity of new devices such as video cell phones and video-capable PDAs.

Related Pages

Some major videos:

Videos

Collections

WTC1 Impact

WTC2 Impact

allegations of fakery

WTC2 Collapse

WTC1 Collapse

WTC7

  • "rare WTC7": building on fire is possibly WTC7; live commentary includes concern about stability of WTC7

Pentagon

General

Videos covering more than one category

Documentaries

  • 9/11 Conspiracy Crash Course: (this is part 1; links to all parts are in comments) Covers many of the most solid objections.
  • 9/11 Coincidences:
  • The True Lies of 9/11 (Part I) (where are other parts?): somewhat overdramatic documentary arguing that Flight 175 was not what brought the building down. Presents conflicting descriptions of the plane. Recording of USA Today correspondent Jack Kelley saying that the FBI believed there was most likely a car or truck underneath the building packed with explosives which went off at the same time as the plane impact "the working theory at this point; unconfirmed"; Pat Dawson quotes (probably Albert Turi) about a secondary device. Same set of eyewitness reports of explosions as in another video, maybe some new ones.
    • View across the channel of smoke emerging from the base of WTC1, coincident with faint explosive sounds, just before it starts to collapse. Ends near the beginning of a segment about the Pentagon. (where is next part?)

Eyewitness Accounts

Anti-anomaly

see also 9/11 anomaly denial

  • a teen or 20-something guy objects to the objections:
    • he claims no professional structural engineers agree with the "controlled demolition" theory; this is false (this may be an honest mistake on the part of the video author)
    • he cites the Tacoma Narrows Bridge collapse as being a similar example of a failure mode not previously encountered, implying that the WTC collapses could be another such phenomenon. What he overlooks, of course, is that in the case of Tacoma Narrows, engineers intensely studied what had happened until they understood (a) why it had happened despite the best design practices of the day, and (b) how to prevent it again. If the WTC collapses were, in fact, due entirely to structural damage and heat from the airplane impact/fire, this would represent a gap in our understanding of structural steel engineering -- one which needs to be filled. Either the collapses came as a huge surprise and structural engineers were caught with their pants down, or the collapses were not due solely to the planes. There is no option to say "the planes hit the buildings and they collapsed, where's the surprise?".

Unfiled

Videos to be checked for content, to see what category they belong in

Much better audio about Albert Turi saying there was a "secondary device"; Pat Dawson reporting:

(Google for "Albert Turrey" finds more)

FAA Manager Mangled, Cut, Destroyed 9/11 Tapes:

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Less-useful footage, listed just to prevent re-checking: