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==Overview==
 
==Overview==
 
[[category:viewpoints]]The [[anti-abortion]] viewpoint, most commonly found under the larger umbrella of the more appealing term "[[pro-life]]", refers to the view that [[abortion]] is wrong, regardless of the reason, and should be illegal in most if not all cases{{seed}}
 
[[category:viewpoints]]The [[anti-abortion]] viewpoint, most commonly found under the larger umbrella of the more appealing term "[[pro-life]]", refers to the view that [[abortion]] is wrong, regardless of the reason, and should be illegal in most if not all cases{{seed}}
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==Pages==
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* [[/arguments]]: structured arguments starting with anti-abortion positions
 
==Groups==
 
==Groups==
 
* [[Army of God]]: "a pro-life organization that honors those who murder abortion providers as 'heroes'" according to [http://www.alternet.org/rights/36371/]
 
* [[Army of God]]: "a pro-life organization that honors those who murder abortion providers as 'heroes'" according to [http://www.alternet.org/rights/36371/]
 
* [[L.E.A.R.N. Inc.]] and [[Operation Rescue]]: see [[Durham MZCC abortion truck]]
 
* [[L.E.A.R.N. Inc.]] and [[Operation Rescue]]: see [[Durham MZCC abortion truck]]
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==Slogans==
 
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...and discussion thereof.[[category:debates]]
 
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* {{arg.mainpoint|"[[Life is a gift, not a choice]]."}}
 
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* {{arg.mainpoint|"Abortion stops a beating heart."}}
 
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** {{arg.counterpoint|only if the embryo is old enough to have one (apparently happens sometime during weeks 3-5 of pregnancy)}}
 
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*** <s>{{arg.supportpoint|According to medical and scientific literature, the heart is in place and beating at ''3'' weeks after conception.}}</s> ''Above claim corrected based on [[Human pre-birth development|research]] in response to this counterclaim''
 
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** {{arg.counterpoint|...and so does [[capital punishment]], slaughtering animals for food, hunting (for sport or food), and running over animals with a car (deliberately or not). Also, certain medical procedures require stopping the heart temporarily. In other words, the stopping of a heart ''per se'' is not morally significant; the context and results of that stoppage are what matters.}}
 
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***{{arg.supportpoint|An animal being killed for food and a living, breathing human being, who just has yet to leave the mother's uterus is a completely different thing. And capital punishment is used only on sick, disgusting, and violent murderers like John Wayne Gacy, Ted Bundy, etc., who had their chance to not kill people, and blew it. What I don't understand is how you people can defend rapists and murderers on death row, but support the murder of innocent children.}}
 
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**** {{arg.counterpoint|However, this argument does not refute the point that killing an animal is just as much "stopping a beating heart" as is aborting a baby -- perhaps more so, since legally-aborted babies generally cannot survive outside the womb.}} (The above support-point is an answer to a ''different'' argument, but at the moment I'm not sure which one; perhaps it is a main-point of its own. {{woozle.init}})
 
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* {{arg.mainpoint|"Your mother chose life."}}
 
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** {{arg.counterpoint|Just because my mother chose it doesn't mean that this was the morally correct/best choice. (Not everyone is happy with having been born, for example.)}}
 
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** {{arg.counterpoint|What if my mother also voted or campaigned for legal abortions? (Arguably, the legality of abortion ''should'' be decided entirely by potential and actual mothers...) What if my mother would have chosen not to risk having children if abortion were illegal? In that case, the legality of abortion made it possible for me to be alive.}}
 
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** {{arg.counterpoint|How is this an argument against abortion? If it were illegal, I might grow up never being ''sure'' that "my mother chose life", because she ''had'' no choice.}}
 
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** {{arg.counterpoint|What about someone whose mother later committed [[suicide]]? (I know one example personally; did ''her'' mother "choose life"?)}}
 
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* {{arg.mainpoint|"Abortion: the worst kind of child abuse."}}
 
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** {{arg.counterpoint|Killing an entity with no nerves, much less consciousness, is worse than child abuse?}}
 
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*** {{arg.supportpoint|This entity is a human being whose nervous system is developing at about 3-5 weeks after conception; abortion is in fact a form of child abuse, though, no less and no more grave than any other child killed.}}
 
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**** {{arg.info|This argument doesn't really answer the original point except by re-stating that abortion is child abuse and going further to assert (without justification) that it is [[abortion is murder|murder]] &ndash; though it does introduce the implicit question of the [[morality of aborting an ennervated embryo|morality of abortion after the nervous system has begun operation]].}}
 
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**** {{arg.info|We'll take it as agreed that [[morality of aborting a non-ennervated embryo|killing an embryo with no nervous system]], if the mother wishes it, should not be regarded as any more immoral than killing a plant &ndash; never mind being comparable to the [[child abuse|abuse of a fully-formed child]] who not only feels physical pain but can also feel the loss of love and hope. Claiming that the former is even ''equivalent'' to the latter would show tremendous insensitivity toward children. If anyone is seriously proposing that abortion should be illegal before the nervous system has gone into operation, please post [[morality of aborting a non-ennervated embryo|here]] or on the {{talkpage}}.}}
 
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* {{arg.mainpoint|"As a former fetus, I oppose abortion."}}
 
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** {{arg.counterpoint|As former fetuses, many people [[pro-choice|support the right to keep it legal]]. Nobody ''likes'' abortion.}}
 
  
 
==Positions==
 
==Positions==

Revision as of 15:17, 22 November 2008

Overview

The anti-abortion viewpoint, most commonly found under the larger umbrella of the more appealing term "pro-life", refers to the view that abortion is wrong, regardless of the reason, and should be illegal in most if not all cases

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Pages

  • /arguments: structured arguments starting with anti-abortion positions

Groups

Positions

Robert, a commenter on Contrary Brin, said, on or about 2008-10-18:

I've long been a believer that the only people who have a right to demand abortions be made illegal are those who are willing to spend their own money to take in a young expectant mother, pay for their medical bills and insurance costs, pay for the child's costs, and provide the woman with a stipend to help make ends meet. If someone is willing to do all of that... then they can insist abortions be made illegal.

Not a single one has risen to my challenge. =^-^=

I'll second that, to the point of agreeing that criminalization of abortion is not a valid position to take unless you are also proposing a system for providing care to the mother and child as Robert describes. There would need to be some additional conditions on such systems, however, such as "no religious proselytizing". --Woozle 16:22, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

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News & Views

  • 2007-11-06 A Fresh Challenge to the Religious Right's View of Abortion by Frederick Clarkson: according to a new book by Gary Willis, "Much of the debate over abortion is based on a misconception, that this is a religious issue, that the pro-life advocates are acting out of religious conviction. It is not a theological matter at all. There is no theological basis for either defending or condemning abortion. Even the popes have said that it is a matter of natural law, to be decided by natural reason."

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